Swifty75 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hi All I, along with a mate, took part in the 2016 RBRR, completing it in a 1970 Vitesse. I am thinking of doing 2020 with my brother, and my nephew. My nephew will be 17, and will have hopefully passed his test between April and October. The idea is to limit his driving to easier bits, and in the light. Problem will be getting some kind of insurance for him, I am with Lancaster and although I know they are supportive of people with classics, and probably the club, I do not know if I could convince them that this would be something worth supporting? He's quite a sensible lad but I am not sure I would trust a 17 year old me behind the wheel, especially not driving my pride and joy! Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 The answer is, ..if he has passed his test, he is under the law competent to drive the UK roads. The RBRR is not a race and should not be treated or thought of as such , so in effect driving in the daylight hours and following the highway code, then he should be able to drive safely. The same goes with insurance , he would be driving in normal conditions and not competitively , so that should not affect a policy. The only doubt....would be obviously in your own mind, eg "is he going to prang my car?"....if he does not attempt something like this, then hes never going to learn Just take a rope to tie down your braking foot ,whilst hes driving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteStupps Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Agreed, if he passes his test then he's allowed to drive the highways and by-ways up and down the land. I don't think the insurance companies have a tick box for "charity endurance event" so the RBRR won't be relevant to them. It's just 'social, domestic & pleasure' as far as they are concerned. There is a long-running thread somewhere (maybe on TSSC forum?) about insurance for young drivers, which would be worth looking at. Seems it's harder now for youths to get classic insurance than it was 20 years ago. Personally I think the RBRR could be a good event for a novice driver, if it's being done 3-up like you propose. Plenty of time to closely observe other drivers and plenty of open road motoring. Just watch out towards the end when everyone is tired obviously. I know I started making some questionable decisions as we had to negotiate more traffic getting towards Knebworth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJim Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I think you'll be lucky to find an classic car insurance company that'll take on a 17 year old. I had the same problem trying to insure Katy, who was 20 at the time to allow her to take part in the 2018 RBRR in the Spitfire. In the end, we gave up and transferred the insurance of a spare car, an Astra SXi, parked that on the driveway, we live in a very quiet, low crime area and paid about £200 per month for two months, then transferred the insurance back to the Astra. Next time, Katy will be older and she can add other cars to her policy even if that's only for a month or two but you can bet it won't be cheap. A bigger worry for me was her lack of experience in long distance night time driving as she had passed her test less than a year before. I freely admit that I couldn't sleep for worrying about her getting hurt if she nodded off. This time she is much more experienced but I still think I'll have trouble sleeping. Well, she's still my wee girl even if she's 5'9". Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Quoted from McJim Too- Well, she's still my wee girl even if she's 5'9". Jim. That`s what Lambrini does for you.....excellent fertiliser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Over the years we have had quite a few young drivers take part, mainly with their parents. For example, for this one, Sarah and Andrew Johnson's two children are taking part in a 2000 mk2 with their parent's great friend Paul Darbyshire as their chaperone. Its great to see young uns taking part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJim Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Quoted from timbancroft61- Sarah and Andrew Johnson's two children are taking part in a 2000 mk2 with their parent's great friend Paul Darbyshire as their chaperone. Is "chaperone" French for ballast? Just asking. Quoted from timbancroft61- Its great to see young uns taking part. As opposed to the rest of us old farts! Well, thanks Tim. Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I am sure we have had people do I think on "L" plates in the past. And it may well be prudent to make sure your nephew has not passed his test as insurance may well be much cheaper as he will have to be supervised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Quoted from McJim Too- Quoted from timbancroft61- Sarah and Andrew Johnson's two children are taking part in a 2000 mk2 with their parent's great friend Paul Darbyshire as their chaperone. Is "chaperone" French for ballast? Just asking. Quoted from timbancroft61- Its great to see young uns taking part. As opposed to the rest of us old farts! Well, thanks Tim. Jim. Hi Jim For them to take part in the 2000TC the criteria for both them was, You are not doing it without an 'Anchor Man', they both said, well we had better ask Paul then! Happy memories for both of them spending time with Paul and Martin at triumph events over the years!.........and Abbie needs someone to keep her in check! She has the potential to be a Rally Driver. I should know I've sat next to a few. It will be a laugh a minute in that car. Hope all is good with you Sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve28 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 My son was a none driving passenger in 2012 then he was on L plates in 2014 in his own toledo 2dr with his own none classic insurance,then in 2014 he drove on a full licence in my 1500tc , he had to miss 2018 but is going to be back for 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJim Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Quoted from White Tornado- Hi Jim For them to take part in the 2000TC the criteria for both them was, You are not doing it without an 'Anchor Man', they both said, well we had better ask Paul then! Happy memories for both of them spending time with Paul and Martin at triumph events over the years!.........and Abbie needs someone to keep her in check! She has the potential to be a Rally Driver. I should know I've sat next to a few. It will be a laugh a minute in that car. Hope all is good with you Sarah Hi Sarah. Dodging along as usual. Still not had the engine rebuilt on the Spitfire. Loads of issues with it. Now using a secondhand block as the original was shot. New crankshaft and oil pump too but hopefully back before Christmas. Just not sure if it's going to be this one or the next. Daughter, Katy, really looking forward to the RBRR - we have unfinished business. Still going to try for a low number - well, it's part of the fun, isn't it. Hope you're all well too and I'll see you next October. Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Been thinking about this. I think Jess Cook/Brake took part whilst pregnant, so can we say that her first child was the youngest...think I am stretching the point here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paudman Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Quoted from Velocita Rosso- The answer is, ..if he has passed his test, he is under the law competent to drive the UK roads. The RBRR is not a race and should not be treated or thought of as such Still an organised event, though, and may not be covered in the event of an incident. Competent is one thing; insurable is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJim Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Quoted from Paudman- Still an organised event, though, and may not be covered in the event of an incident. Competent is one thing; insurable is another. While it is an organised event it is not a competitive event. Your normal social, domestic and pleasure insurance will cover you for the RBRR, just the same as it would for a club treasure hunt. Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martins Stag Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Interesting point about Jess Brake/Cook being pregnent . I wounder if anyone was conceived on the RBRR.....! Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Always think it is a good idea for entrants to let their insurers know that they are taking part in the event. Something that Derek Pollock always impressed upon entrant back in the day to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Cook Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Quoted from timbancroft61- "Sarah and Andrew Johnson's two children are taking part in a 2000 mk2 with their parent's great friend Paul Darbyshire as their chaperone." Couldn't quite believe this when I read it but then thought hard for a moment and realised I first met Sarah and Andrew, and the White Tornado, some 17 years ago and they had kids then. First met Paul back then as well but I daresay he has grown up a bit as well...and met Tim then as well! Just where have all these years gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Its bloody frightening Don, makes one think eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedTaylor Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 As a matter of interest what is the position about taking a non driving passenger who is under 16? MUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Has been done before Ted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedTaylor Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Thanks for the reply Colin. MUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Good luck with getting insurance. I managed, after a bit of a battle, to persuade RH Specialist to insure my elder son to co-drive with me on the 2017 10CR. He was 21 at the time with 3 years NCB...... They allowed it partly because I had been insuring the car with them for > 15 years and set the condition that he was only allowed to drive with me (only me, no one else would do) in the car with him. 1 weeks cover cost 50% of the whole years premium for me. Not a very large sum to be fair, but even so....... I didn't think they needed to know that the only time he'd driven the car before was on race tracks! So in one day, three firsts for him: First time driving on a motorway (yes really, not many motorways round here), first time driving the Vitesse on the public highway, then after the crossing, first time driving on the "wrong" side (and on a motorway on the wrong side). Also first time staying in a Formula 1 "hostile" as well but that's another story. Colin may well have a point that it could be easier and cheaper to get him insured on a provisional licence - the world of insurance is very strange at times, and he will be accompanied anyway! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Ted, best if you give me a call on this one. Richard Brake's youngest daughter has done the event as a non-driver at the age of 15 (I think). On the subject of young person insurance, have a chat with Pete Barrett at Cherished Vehicle Insurance, he is a nice bloke, a member of CT and doing the RBRR, he will I am sure do his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aar0sc Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I would have been a fairly young entrant in 2012 at 18, but I couldn't get insurance for more than 1500 miles!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulB Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I’m doing the event with my son, he’s just passed his test in January and is 17 but will be 18 by the time of the event. I’m planning on just getting temporary cover, as it’s currently too expensive to get him as a full time named driver. I think it’s important to get the youth driving our cars as they are the next generation to look after them when we get too old to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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