wellskint Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 if none are fitted, will it pass an mot or do they need putting in even though on manufacture they wont?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 None needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cook1e Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 You don't even need to have front seat belts for the MOT if your car is so old that it was built without them nor can you be prosecuted for not wearing a seat belt in such a car, not that I'd recommend having no seat belts!My first car a 62 Mini had no seat belts but fitting them was one of the first jobs I did after buying it :-)I also fitted rears to my Dolomite last year as soon as I bought it as I have kids and wanted them to be safe, easy enough job as all the mounting points were there in the car balnked off ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellskint Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 good point about the kids, i have 3 and likewise would want them to be safe. did you fit 2 rear ones or was it three and where did you get them from please?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmcnicoll Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If the vehicle was manufactured before 1 January 1973 it is not required to have rear seat belts.For information, the age related items are as follows:LICENSE PLATE: If the vehicle was manufactured before 1 January 1973 it may have registration plates displaying white, grey or silver characters on a black background.VIN: If the vehicle was first used before 1 August 1980, there is no Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)HORN: If the vehicle was first used before 1 August 1973, the horn does not have to be continuous or uniform, and it may be harsh or grating.HAZARD LIGHTS: If the vehicle was first used before 1 April 1986, the vehicle is not required to have Hazard Lights, which should only be tested if fitted.REAR FOG LAMP: If the vehicle was first used before 1 April 1980, the vehicle is not required to have a rear fog lamp.REAR SEAT BELTS: If the vehicle was manufactured before 1 January 1973 it is not required to have rear seat belts.FRONT SEAT BELTS: If the vehicle was manufactured before 1 January 1965 it is not required to have 3 point front seatbelts.WING MIRRORS: If the vehicle was first used before 1 August 1978, it is only required to have ONE mirror from the following: an interior mirror, OR an exterior mirror fitted to the offside, OR an exterior mirror fitted to the nearside.CATALYTIC CONVERTOR: If the vehicle was manufactured before 1 August 1992, it is not required to have a catalytic convertor.CHILDREN AND SEATBELTS: If your vehicle doesn’t have seat belts, for example it’s a classic car, you aren’t allowed to carry any children under 3 years old in it. Children over 3 are only allowed to sit in the back seats. These rules only apply if your vehicle was originally made without seat belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 That 1973 date is wrong re rear seat belts. None of the cars I grew up with had them fitted, and I eventually dug up the year 1987 being th eyear they had to be fitted in the rear.When looking, I saw that 1973 date elsewhere, but I have no idea what it is referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cook1e Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 9289 wrote:good point about the kids, i have 3 and likewise would want them to be safe. did you fit 2 rear ones or was it three and where did you get them from please?thanksI fitted two and used the centre lap belt mounting holes for the sockets as it gives more space if an adult wants to use them.I found a great place on ebay, a proper shop that sell new securon units for a fraction of the price of the Triumph traders. ebay user name kcponline. over 10,000 listings and 100% positive feedback.Check the securon catalogue to pick the right belts for your car which is available on line at :- http://www.securon.co.uk/applications/seat_belts_applications.htmIntertia Rear belts for a dolly/toledo are part number 254 currently £26.95 each from kcponline. (Compared with £38 to £47 each from well known Triumph traders!)Check out my blog for the low down on how I fitted mine. http://cook1e.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/inertia-rear-seat-belts-in-dolomite.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partsaver Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Cars first used before 31st March 1987 yes 1987 do not require rear belts but if they are fitted must comply to MOT standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cook1e Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 377 wrote:Cars first used before 31st March 1987 yes 1987 do not require rear belts but if they are fitted must comply to MOT standards.If you've got kids or regularly carry passemngers in the rear and the car will take rear belts then I think you are pretty irrespsponsible not to fit a set even if it's pre 87. 50 - 60 quid weighed up against potential loss of life should be a no brainer.I had a 62 Mini and although it had the mounting points it had no front belts fitted and was MOTd with no problem due to beinmg pre 65. Needless to say I fitted a set of belts pretty sharpish after I bought the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmcnicoll Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Apologies, I was indeed wrong on the rear seatbelts.The MOT manual for passenger vehicles, motor caravans and ambulances with up to 8 seats states:If first used before 1 Janury 1965 - no seatbelts needed.For vehicles with ULW<2540kg:If first used before 1 April 1981, drivers and specified front seat passengers need a belt which restrains the upper part of the body. No other belts needed.For vehicles first used before 1 April 1987: drivers and specified front passengers need a 3 point belt; other front passengers need either a 3 point belt or a lap belt or a disabled persons belt; no other belts needed.Otherwise:With 1 or 2 forward facing seats behind the drivers seat: drivers and specified front passengers need a 3 point belt; other front passengers need either a 3 point belt or a lap belt or a disabled persons belt; in forward facing rear seats either a 3 point inertia reel belt in one seat or a lap belt in both seats or a 3 point belt in both seats or a disabled person's belt in both seats.If more than 2 forward facing seats behind the drivers seat: drivers and specified front passengers need a 3 point belt; other front passengers need either a 3 point belt or a lap belt or a disabled persons belt; in forward facing rear seats, either a 3 point inertia reel belt on an outboard seat plus a 3 point static or inertia reel belt, lap belt, disabled person's belt or child restraint for at least one other seat, OR a static 3 point belt for one seat and a disabled person's belt or child restraint for at least one other seat, OR a 3 point belt, lap belt, disabled person's belt or child restraint to each seatIf ULW is >2540kg and first used before 1 October 1988 - no seatbelts needed.If ULW is >2540kg and has 1 or 2 forward facing seats behind the drivers seat, then: the driver & specified front passenger needs a 3 point belt; other front passengers need either a 3 point belt or a lap belt or a disabled persons belt; in forward facing rear seats either a 3 point inertia reel belt in one seat or a lap belt in both seats or a 3 point belt in both seats or a disabled person's belt in both seats.http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_530.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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