michael Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 please insure you sat navs have czech republic and slovenia maps regards michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo4 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I just bought this on Ebay, the seller seems to have quite a few. http://www.ebay.com/itm/301415112743?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Maybe someone could contact him and get a group deal, or you guys could bid against each other and drive the price up. Either way... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 There are always maps available you know :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 There are always maps available you know :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hunt Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 +1 Raider!Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Sat Nav to me is a road digger having a tea break! :B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJP Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 But it's very handy when your co driver is asleep - used it a fair bit on the RBRR this year when Graham fell asleep in Wales!My ageing Garmin lacks some European countries and now looking at downloading co-pilot onto my iPad mini , has anyone tried this App? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 this post is intended to be helpfull to those who use sat nav(nothing to do with dig roads )!of course use maps if you wish regards michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Looks like my Sat Nav needs updating , ...the two new countries did`nt exist when I bought mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 To be fair I like to use both.The co-driver reading the maps but the sat nav in with the end destination for the day, then if I am getting behind I know I can ditch the official route and use the sat nav.Plus there's the correct speed reading etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Most of our more lurid navigational cock-ups have been sat-nav induced when we weren't supervising it closely enough. In spite of two map updates in it's life it still has no idea where Luxembourg is - either that or it just doesn't want to go there. It very nearly got jumped on during the last 10CR when it displayed a serious lack of knowledge of Italian roads. Maps could be the future!Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo4 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Sat Nav keeps marriages happy...I've driven through France before with my wife before Sat Navs existed...Yea, not a good trip. Plus it helps us non-roundabout types survive without getting dizzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Flexney Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I think the main problem people have when using a Sat Nav is that they expect it to tell them where to go. If you use a Sat Nav as a speaking map and program in the route before you leave you will find they are as good as, if not better than using a human navigator and paper map. Of course you have to understand how your Sat Nav works and how it will react in different situations. Knowing that, you can put in more or fewer waypoints to ensure it sticks to the route you would like to do. The Sat Nav maps that were created for previous 10CR runs were tuned for a Garmin system. If transferred to another system the route may well be different and errors could creep in. Of course these detailed route descriptions are difficult to transfer to a physical map and the instructions are not the easiest to follow unless you are an avid MS AutoRoute user. One way around this is to drop the Sat Nav file into ITN Convertor. This is a free download (http://www.benichou-software.com/) and once the file is loaded into ITN you can study the route in detail using the editor function. Unfortunately ITN does not offer printing facilities but it does offer great detail and could be used to transfer the route to a paper map.AndyF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I have to say, Sir, that actually organising and providing sat-nav directions for participants in the 10CR, is like providing a back-seat driver for every car! Satnav is ideal for the solo driver, who cannot consult a map at the wheel, but this is a team sport! And if the team members cannot read a map, then they should not be participating!Half the fun of a long tour like the 10CR is finding your way, with the excellent maps and notes provided in the traditional way. To even use satnav is a surrender to technology!Bah! Humbug!John (not doing this time, nor for some time, so ignore him, grumbling in the corner) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I assume that there will be a hign quality roadbook produced for the event as the primary means of navigation, and that sat nav would only be used as a last resort if lost.K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 AndyF wrote: ... Unfortunately ITN does not offer printing facilities but it does offer great detail and could be used to transfer the route to a paper map ... That is easy to overcome with <Alt> <Print Screen>, than paste in a file that can be printed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Flexney Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 The reason so much emphasis is being put on Sat Nav files comes from the feedback received after the 2013 10CR. Participants complained about the quality (lack of detail) of the maps and the instructions, some saying it would be better if they were in Google maps. By providing Sat Nav files each team can see the route in as much detail as they want using their favourite route planner. And if so inclined trace the route onto a paper map. I am quite sure all of the participants of the 10CR are able to read a map but does that mean they have to prove it every 2 years? But if that is their thing then by all means navigate using the old methods after all the principle behind the 10CR is that each car makes it the run they want it to be.Personally I find using Sat Nav files is the best way to enjoy the driving and the scenery in a relaxed manner. After all there is now only one night of driving so there is plenty of scenery to be looking at.AndyF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 It is said that a gentleman is one who knows how to play the sousaphone - but does not do so.He has a hard-won skill, and does not use it. Idiot.Navigation is likewise a skill, and the 10CR is a wonderful opportunity to use it, in a way that will offend no one. Just seems a pity to sit back and enjoy the scenery - you can do that on the Orient Express, in more comfort.John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Sat navs are great when you partner is asleep. But you have to realise the limitations and you do need good maps (marked up) as well. Also don't rely on someone else way points you really need to check them before setting off other wise the sat nav will take you somewhere strange and you wont know where you are.I recommend the PC software Tyre it will import and export lots of different formats, and let you zoom in and let and then you can add edit the waypoints very easily.cheersmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo4 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I'm A Triumph lover...my wife is ehhh...She wants to look out the window. More time sightseeing, less time getting sea sick will win her over. She is not used to the European windy roads Bring on the Sat NAV! Yes it is just a crutch, but if it eliminates one argument while we are doing circles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Thete is certainly more than one way of doing this event.Personally I don't need/want sat nav files or a detailed roadbook - just tell me where the start is, where the overnights are and where the finish is.Then I can spend hours contemplating different routes on maps, mark em up and then dive in :)No reason why other approaches including satnav routing can't be used tho if that's what people want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 How about the people who want to use sat nav do so, and the people who don't use maps instead? And everyone stops being so interested in what's happening in cars they're not in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane 1600 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Anyone who's been on an event with Vin as Co-driver will be thank full for a Sat NavHis map skills are the stuff of legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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