2015 10CR Entry List update

[Andy Flexney]

Thanks to everybody who got  back to me confirming their details and shame on those who haven’t.  ;)  :)

If your first name is Steve, Reg, Richard, Laurence, Toby, David, Dave, Paul, Adam, Nigel, Marino, Stephanie, Craig, Dieter or Andrew, you might want to look in your spam folder and see if there is an email from me. If you did not get an email please contact me via the forum.

We will shortly be sending out further information about the 2015 10CR and need to be sure we have the correct email addresses.

Thanks
AndyF

[Raider]

When I  started this whole thing  off in 2003 I had been inspired by the Classic Marathon.

I have  just checked out the 2015 version and the entry fee is a mere  Â£4850 😥

That does cover ferries, hotels and a team of marshalls,mechanics etc but that's one heck of a difference.

[don cook1]

To your credit Martin you fail to mention that the 2003 event was free, even better because you presented me with a whole set of marked up maps!

[v8dean]

Raider wrote:

When I  started this whole thing  off in 2003 I had been inspired by the Classic Marathon.

I have  just checked out the 2015 version and the entry fee is a mere  Â£4850 ...

And there was I looking if there were any free places...

[don cook1]

Mr Martin, been a long time...Brugges if I remember correctly? Still got the V8?

[Velocita Rosso]

Normally by now there is always a lot buzz about the 10CR, on here, generally in conversations, or local area chit chat....but this year seems exeptionally quiet.
Only 36 `ish booked the ferry deal ,two or three independant bookers and three on the tunnel that we know of.
Why do I get this lack of interest vib/ feeling?  

[Clive]

I assume (as a noobie) this is just the "dead time". All the initial stuff is done, and it will be much nearer the time people will start to actually think about it? For many people the summer is a busy time, and other stuff is happening that needs thinking about. Like my trip to Spa next week (ideal shakedown for the car!)
Interest in an event is something that is difficult to generate by asking. Bit like that TV advert, normality is a lack of fuss, and I suspect the trip has been done several time by many who all know what to expect. And me? I have no idea, but there really is nothing to ask at the moment. We don't have a route to discuss, which is when people will  start talking about it.

So don't worry old bean. Go fettle your car and all will be well!

[don cook1]

I suppose that we've all made a decision on hotels/crossings etc by now; whether we do it early or closer to the time. But the one thing that will engender interest is to give details of the route...Triumphs and where we're going; that's what sums up the 10CR! Personally I'd like to know the route, even if its just the major towns we're driving past, I'd like to peruse a map in the evenings leading up to the event. Why does it have to be a secret?????

[Nick Jones]

^^^^^ What Don said ^^^^^^

Mind you......

...... the car isn't quite ready yet  :o

Nick

[Velocita Rosso]

Nick_Jones wrote:

^^^^^ What Don said ^^^^^^

Mind you......

...... the car isn't quite ready yet  :o

Nick

Ditto

[Andy Flexney]

There is no secret about the route.

The main stopping points have been published and it is now up to each team to decide how they are going to get there and drive through 10 countries doing it.

For those who do not manage to find a route before the event a recommend route will be offered nearer the start of the event.

Cheers
AndyF

[don cook1]

AndyF wrote:

There is no secret about the route.

The main stopping points have been published and it is now up to each team to decide how they are going to get there and drive through 10 countries doing it.

For those who do not manage to find a route before the event a recommend route will be offered nearer the start of the event.

Cheers
AndyF

I'm confused. What you are saying is that from Aachen to Cortina and then to Ulm and then Kerkrade all entrants make their own routes up or wait until nearer the event when a recommended route will be offered?? So, there is no secret because there is no route???? I have been to the Event section of this forum and looked at the 'Route'; its empty?

There you go Mike.

[Clive]

We can all make a route up, but I thought it was more than just 4 points to visit?? I am truly confused now.

Surely the event has a recommended route for all, not just those who cannot make up their own?? Or do you really want us all to do our own thing??  :-/

[Andy Flexney]

What I was trying to point out is that the route you will get is only a recommend route and every team can change it or make their own up beforehand or on the go. This was always the philosophy of the 10CR from 2003 onwards.

There are 4 points that each team should try to reach Aachen, Corrina, Ulm and The Rolduc however it would be in the spirit of the event if the teams did not go the most direct route but tried to visit 10 countries on the way. Yes there are thousands of routes and each team should create one that works best for them. From experience or talking to others who have done this before you will know the route from Calais to Calais is usually about 2000 miles give or take 200 miles. Perhaps some had not picked up the rumours about visiting Poland. Slovenia has also had a mention as well as Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary.

I know of one team who already have their root planned and it is quite different to the recommended route because they want to reach parts the 10CR does not reach.

Please do not panic the recommended route will be published sooner than in previous events but please remember changes are being made up to it being published.

Regards
AndyF

[Clive]

It would just be a bit sad if everybody did something different. It would be helpful to get the recommended route, then people can decide if they want to follow it strictly, mainly or just the checkpoints. But we don't even have times to be at each checkpoint (unless I have missed something) which would make choosing a route tricky as we don't have a timescale.
Of course, I have no worries if we are just given the 4 points and the time we need to be there, even if given at the start. But having the route that the organisers are planning would be helpful, otherwise you are all wasting your time.

[Raider]

I don't  think it would be sad if everyone did their own thing.

My original  vision was turn up, pile  off the  ferry and see you in Nice at one of the possible hotels.

The thought of being out there by ourselves with another Triumph within half a mile or 20 miles was part of the romance of it. Then there's the chance encounters and stops for fuel or food etc and seeing another entrant drive by or pull in for a quick chat.

I don't  need a route or timings to be at particular places.

Actually planning your own route and swapping ideas on here could be part of the pre event buzz that is missing

[don cook1]

The introduction to the 10CR 2015 is clear: "the proposed route taking in Germany, Czech Republic, Austria, Slovenia,  and on to Italy for the first overnight stop. Following a well-earned break, weÂ’ll continue into Germany for our second stop, then on Sunday, weÂ’ll (sic) make our way back up to our final overnight halt in Kerkrade"


So what is this all about: "Perhaps some had not picked up the rumours about visiting Poland. Slovenia has also had a mention as well as Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary."

[James]

Raider wrote:

I don't  think it would be sad if everyone did their own thing.

My original  vision was turn up, pile  off the  ferry and see you in Nice at one of the possible hotels.

That's not really an event though is it? Surely the fun is driving with others in the club. Otherwise why not do it in your own time at your own pace.

It's super cliquey if the whole thing is about "going off and doing your own thing" because it presumes people are in social groups. You could never sell the 10CR outside of the club that way.

Raider wrote:

The thought of being out there by ourselves with another Triumph within half a mile or 20 miles was part of the romance of it. Then there's the chance encounters and stops for fuel or food etc and seeing another entrant drive by or pull in for a quick chat.

The problem is that Europe is really rather a large place and the chances of bumping in to someone goes down to virtually nil. It doesn't matter if that other Triumph is a mile away or 20 or 200.

The last 10CR I did was in 2009 and we hardly saw another car which was just boring as hell. In 2005 I had the best event ever because we grouped up with Don as well as the Mr Picton — we did our own thing, went around a few places of interest, had some lovely food, all at our own leisure and it was superb. It was good because we were together.


James
*looking for something to reignite his love of CT*

[Clive]

Don has a point. Where did these rumours start? and are we supposed to have been told? or is it just a select group in the know? the rest of us are just left out in the cold. Sorry, I really am none too happy about this. I am not feeling very welcome at the moment, and implying the majority of people know stuff isn't exactly helping.

[Beans]

jcarruthers wrote:

* looking for something to reignite his love of CT *

Sell the Porsche and start using your Triumphs again :P  ;)

As for all of the above remarks, there clearly is a discussion on how to run an event.
I think that's were the problem lies. I get the impression that some people expect a fully organised run. But that's never been the idea behind the 10CR.
There has always been a proposed route and some (pre arranged or proposed) stops and/or accommodation. The same applies this year.
The over night stops are known (Cortina D'Ampezzo & Ulm), and the finish location (Rolduc)is known. As well as a good indication of the start (very close to Aachen).

And as Andy already stated, there will be an official proposed route (well actually two) made available well before the start of the event.
There will more than enough time to plot your own route if you want to. Especially when you compare it with previous years.

If I remember correctly we received our road-book for the 2005 edition at the start in Steenvoorde  ::)
In 2007 we didn't even get an official road-book at all because Ellis managed to break down well before the continental start.
So I wouldn't worry to much :P

[Raider]

jcarruthers wrote:

That's not really an event though is it? Surely the fun is driving with others in the club. Otherwise why not do it in your own time at your own pace.

It's super cliquey if the whole thing is about "going off and doing your own thing" because it presumes people are in social groups. You could never sell the 10CR outside of the club that way.



The problem is that Europe is really rather a large place and the chances of bumping in to someone goes down to virtually nil. It doesn't matter if that other Triumph is a mile away or 20 or 200.

The last 10CR I did was in 2009 and we hardly saw another car which was just boring as hell. In 2005 I had the best event ever because we grouped up with Don as well as the Mr Picton — we did our own thing, went around a few places of interest, had some lovely food, all at our own leisure and it was superb. It was good because we were together.


James
*looking for something to reignite his love of CT*

Well it felt like an event to me. The thing is there is a choice.

In 2003 we drove pretty much by ourselves and then and different  times with different  people. Same in 2005.

The memory of 3 of us finding the same petrol station near Rheims after midnight and then Graham Reeks swooping in always makes me smile. Then there's the time in 2005 when we travelled  by chance with Paul Derbyshire and Andy  Flexney with the famous Bambi incident is priceless.

The camaraderie  is there  at the stops where  we can swap tall tales and ask things like "did you see  so and so  at X? or yes? We tried that road too but xxx

I don't find it boring if I don't see another CT car for hours as I love the driving on great roads and will meet up with everyone at some point anyway.

By all means  travel together  though on the route  that will be issued or one you create yourself

When I am told I must follow a particular route or be at particular checkpoints at specified times I will know the event is not for me.

[Andy Flexney]

sorry I am not clear what we are discussing here, are we discussing the unknown route or are we discussing that we want to travel the 2000 miles in convoy?

The route will be published before the start and a convoy is simply not going to happen.

In previous 10CRs we have seen different cars team up with other cars for different sections. Very rarely did a group of cars stay together for the whole trip. If they did it was because the teams spoke with each other and agreed a route, in other words they made the 10CR their own!

As anyone who has designed a new, 2000 mile route every 2 years will know it is not something that is done in a few hours. I have spend many evenings designing the route and making sure it is possible to achieve in the time given. I spend many hours searching for good interesting roads and speak to people who have driven them and can give me tips. I try to bring the 10CR into different areas of Europe and accommodate all the wishes of the past events e.g. less motorway, more passes, different countries more time to socialise, an extra overnight stop, more challenging route.

If you look on the internet you can buy holiday routes which in my opinion are not as good as the 10CR routes, they are not cheap and you will pay anything from £250 upwards. Taking this into account you may start to understand why the route is not published early. Think of a worst case scenario; 4 other clubs taking 20 to 30 cars on the route at the same time as we are on it or even worse before we drive it?

And last but not least why would I want Club Triumph to make my IP public before it is required?

AndyF

[Clive]

What irked me is the implication that I, and presumably many others (or maybe it is just me and a handful of others) who are not privy to the "rumours".
If you are going to publish a route, then do so. But to write

Quote:

The main stopping points have been published and it is now up to each team to decide how they are going to get there and drive through 10 countries doing it.

For those who do not manage to find a route before the event a recommend route will be offered nearer the start of the event.

strongly implies there would only be a route given to those who have not managed to sort their own route out. So I am grateful you have confirmed there will be a proper route prepared.  I also have no concerns about other clubs borrowing a route. Nor how much we could pay a travel agent to arrange a trip.

Not sure I understand your last comment though?
All we want is the route, or even a list of checkpoints/waypoints and times. Then we can start planning. Oh, and everybody to be treated equally would be nice too.

[mpbarrett]

AndyF wrote:

....... Perhaps some had not picked up the rumours about visiting Poland. Slovenia has also had a mention as well as Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary.
.......

Ok I am feeling really left out because I had not picked up the rumours about Poland. Why is it all so secret? If we are going to Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary why not say so?

If its  CT event share it with the CT members else we might as well all arrange our own trip around Europe (we did this last year with 6 other cars, hard work sorting out the route but doable and great fun).

I know 2 other teams that I was discussing the trip with on Monday. I am about to email them and we will  arrange our own route, between hotels. This is fine and we will have a great time but if this is the plan for the 10CR this year then I am not sure why CT is involved with it at all?

As everyone else has said the great part of the 10CR is meeting up in strange places, and times, with other CT members..... at this rate we might just see each other at Rolduc...

mike

[michael]

come on chaps the route book will be finalised shortly,the start location is being looked at this weekend by myself. you all know the over night locaitions,and there i wil stop regards michael