Thanks for the replies, my first effort at forming a patch might be near enough if I use filler after, think I have been watching too many American classic car restoration programmes they do get perfection, but they do have all the gear and skills ! The rest of the body seems ok don't know why its rotted in this area, I want the paint job to last a while so want to make good repairs which will last. Great forum I have been reading up on posts and replies, I have had fun with the old girl but she needs tidying hope to have it done by next spring. Engine has been running ok but loosing water I suspect the head gasket as the water is brown but no sign of it in the oil.