Sorry to butt in late on this. Some very good points made (and some of them conceded). Drivers' meeting - as a fairly old hand (this was my tenth RBRR) I would say this year's charity rep was given too much time to waffle on about herself, but this was the first time the rep has done that, so I can sympathise with the committee not enforcing time limits based on past experience. The road book run through... sorry Tim, but I'm going to disagree. It might be useful for salient points and additions, but I fear Nigel is not gifted at public speaking and I've always found it hard to stay awake while he reads out every detail (OK, I exagerate, but it has the feel of a guy reading every word on his powerpoint slides) Controls / marshalls / being late - well, if you're late you can't expect the marshalls to have hung around. That said, we were late at nearly every control and the marshalls were all still there. Most of them do hang around but I can certainly understand the ones at Carter Bar wanting to go home and get warm and dry! As for smaller meetings and old-hands' contacts, I'd be happy to do my part on that (within the limitations of the practical non-existence of the Cambridge area) but it's only going to be 'in addition to' the DM, because the organisers and charity reps can't do all those separate small meetings. Oh, and this year was the first time I've used a sat-nav, and the first time I've ever completely missed a control because we'd forgotten it was there (and the sat nav didn't tell us). Also, the first time it's taken five minutes to leave the parking space at Edinburgh because the sat nav needed rebooting. Use the road book, it's much more reliable ;)