jollyj54 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Hello all,Just bought triomatic (second one Ive had)This smells strongly of petrol when running and uses lots!!!!(Has not been used for 13 or so years but been started regularly)Any ideas where to look first please?Thanks in advance!! J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I suppose the first question is have you serviced it? that's the first thing I did when I got mine, which had been off the road for about 5 years and it runs fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Thank you. No I have not yet as I thought oil and filter and plugs would not make much difference to the smell - Ahhh mmmmmmm yes forgot the air cleaner!! Will check that first!!J (embarassed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 There's also the petrol itself, if its 13 years old I suspect it will have gone off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 Well there was no petrol in it!! So it is new now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 Oh dear me,Seems only running on 2 cylinders and 2 plugs are very oily + lots of blue smoke - not looking good (mad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Right - no 4 cylinder not firing tho have spark. Checked (or tried to) valve clearances but no marks on top cam pulley. Ther is a white mark on top in one place and an orangey line on the rear face - rather puzzling??J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Have you replaced all the ignition parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 No - all plugs spark - going to check compression 1st. It passed mot at 25000 then was not used after 25600miles. Do head gaskets go easily?Took top cam belt cover off and found timing marks. Does this mean the top pulley has been removed and fitted the wrong way round????????J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 The Latest!!Nos 1, 2, & 3 show 180psi and No4 (the one that does not fire) nearly 190.Are the plug leads the next best thing to renew?J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 No 4 is well within 10% of the others so your engine is fine. Replace all your ignition parts but beware of poor quality parts. I've had a brand new rotor arm fail on me so it does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 Thanks. Is there anywhere best to get leads etc from?J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Try and find a good local motor factor. You should be able to get service parts without too much difficulty. I don't know which part of the country you're in so I can't recommend anyone. eBay is also your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 Put new leads and one to coil. Waiing for rotor arm and dizzy cap. But so far no improvement. Is cleaning carbs out a do it yourself job???Also how do I check the firing order? Put leads on one at a time but they may have been wrong to start with!!H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 On the dizzy cap the position for No. 1 HT lead (for the cylinder nearest the cambelt) should be marked as you can see in the photo below:You then work anti-clockwise for the firing order (1-3-4-2).Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 Thank you.Checked and is correct. Also took carbs off and found mixture screws have been played with!!! Cleaned carbs and reset mixture screws 2 1/2 turnsout. Car fired up jolly well but not perfectand would idle happily. Stopped and gave each screw a 1/4 turn out and it ran very badly. 1/4 turn in but still very lumpy and wont idle - clean tank now I suppose and re clean carbs??J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 There's just one more thing (in the words of Columbo!).Have you checked the ignition timing? The Triomatic has a different setting to the manual. The crankshaft pulley has 3 markings. I can't remember off the top of my head because I'm posting this from work. I'll check my manuals and post my findings.On the subject of fuel, there's a filter on the nearside of the tank. If you remove the NSR wheel you can see it. Becuase the original filters are virtually non-existent you will have to replace it with a universal inline one (the bigger the better). Also, try blowing compressed air through the fuel line. It is amazing how much crap will come out. This is something I need to do with Blue. Should you need to remove the fuel tank it isn't too difficult. There are 4 bolts holding the tank on to the body. The front 2 don't need to be removed becuase the flanges at the front have slots instead of holes so you can just slide it out after you've removed the rear 2 bolts. It'll make sense when you do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 Thank you.All checked. Took carbs off and cleaned them out. Mixture screws had been altered, one was nearly right in and the other 4 turns out!!! Resetto 2,1/2 turns out and it started and ran better than it ever has. However stopped and gave a further 1/4 turn out and now it wont run properly again. Put back to 2 1/2 turns but useless. Do I have to clean all fuel stuff out? Been sat for 13 years I know!!J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 Ooops!!! Didnt spot the second page so thought my post was not there!!!!Have checked static timing but it wont idle to use a light. Thanks for fuel tips i'll drain tank etc and use new filter. Reclean carbs too.At least it DID run nicely for a few moments so their is hope!!How do I put pics on here?J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 From memory, the ignition timing is 5deg BTDC for the manual and 11 deg BTDC for the Triomatic. Also from memory the markings on the timing pulley from right to left (looking at it from above and facing the timing belt cover) are TDC, 5 deg BTDC & 12 deg BTDC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Frustrated!!!! Drained tank to best of my ability. New fuel filter. New plugs, cap and leads inc. one to coil. (Have not found rotor arm replacement)Took carbs off again and cleaned and reset. Fires up instantly (no choke needed, is this a clue?) but wont run smoothly or idle although it did once for a few mins. Be glad of any more ideas please!!!John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 Managed to get it ticking over by weakening mixture - plugs still sooty black and black exhaust. Choke butterflies working. What else can give over rich mixture - am stumped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Try weakening the mixture a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 Tried that now. Still puffs out lots of sooty black smoke and runs as if the choke is out. Are there any carbs about for sale?? Cant think of anything else. Altered timing too. The exhaust makes eyes run - although I thought I had siphoned all the old fuel out would a tiny bit left mess things up so? How do you check the electrnic module? If anyone is around Chippenham anywhen let me know!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyj54 Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 Just a little ques?Is it possible to siphon all the fuel out of the tank please?Rather frustrating - still rally black smoke. Any more ideas?J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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