JohnD Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Many years ago, the 10CR was supported here by a glossary of terms and words from the vocabulary of car parts and their ills, in several languages, to assist the participants in case of need. That list has long gone, but does anyone have copy, please? I ask, because I'm improving on my school French, in preparation for the next Classic Le Mans. My team colleagues had none, and my school memories were concerned with the cake on the table, with how many glasses of wine. I could recall 'pneu' and 'essence', but the French for spark plug or track rod end was as Greek to me. That list would save me a long search through the dictionary, before I could even start to learn the words! Thank you! John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnD said: but the French for spark plug or track rod end was as Greek to me. Spark plug = Bougie (candle think about the origins of car ignition) Track rod end = Rotule de direction (rotule is also the name for the similar type of joint in the human skeleton) Something that might help as well: 'Oh dear it is broken' = Putain merde c'est foutu! Bonne chance & bonne route 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rosbif said: 'Oh dear it is broken' = Putain merde c'est foutu! I suspect this isn't a direct translation... even with my meagre understanding of the French language words like merde and foutu stand out as not quite matching the English given 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martins Stag Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just looked up merde...... 😆 could be usefull.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 Merci beaucoup, M.Rosbif! Mais je voudrais connaitre plus des mots sur l'auto, pour l'assistance de mon equipe. If I wanted to know how to curse it, I'd watch "Engrenages" and learn Parisian argot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, yorkshire_spam said: I suspect this isn't a direct translation... even with my meagre understanding of the French language words like merde and foutu stand out as not quite matching the English given 😉 The art of translating is to not make it a direct translation but is what would be said/written in the other language . . . 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, JohnD said: learn Parisian argot! NO! don't do that you would very unpopular. Here we differentiate between the 2 types that have a 'residence secondaire' in the area - Parisian and parasite. But yes, a glossary could be useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteStupps Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 @JohnD I haven't seen the list to which you refer but i've got an old AA European driving booklet, which has useful translations for all major car component plus travelling phrases for typical 1960's holidaymaker. I'll dig it out and scan it. Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, PeteStupps said: @JohnD I haven't seen the list to which you refer but i've got an old AA European driving booklet, which has useful translations for all major car component plus travelling phrases for typical 1960's holidaymaker. I'll dig it out and scan it. Pete I bet it has some stuff that will be very dated and hilarious by modern standards. The car components part will still be valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteStupps Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rosbif said: I bet it has some stuff that will be very dated and hilarious by modern standard Indeed it has, certainly dated. Ideal for the average Triumph owner perhaps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 Does it mention the unfortunate postillion? But thank you Pete! I'm sure that 'dated stuff' will be very useful, as we all have cars designed in the 60s, and at Le Mans I shall be dealing with 1930s conveyances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVD3500 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 There is a French "Revue technique" for the Spitfire MkIV/1500 that looks and smells a lot like a translated version of the official repair manual: Same pictures (right-hand model etc.), same structure etc. and thanks to the pictures you can figure out what parts are what. Easily available from any online auction house for about 20-30 of your EU €s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 What a good idea! But Amazon lists nothing of the sort. Where have you seen them DVD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 29 minutes ago, JohnD said: What a good idea! But Amazon lists nothing of the sort. Where have you seen them DVD? Were you looking at Amazon FRANCE? As you are looking for something in French you are better looking at sites such as these. https://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_auto/2140947035.htm https://www.ebay.fr/itm/144879198423?hash=item21bb7920d7:g:TJkAAOSwOlBjrxzl&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoId3Mz4KOMFSdVDXWzUSYo1sMLJKuem%2FfKQY6QN8E5MuUAeuNmHB2cl2X4pLym70v%2BIz1%2F8uCt6kPrQ59arhjpy0EErrAXAFGYQxJtAcfeVhnLuJ28aa3G7iyeWy%2B7soStey0oeXiFjimblOM8eoNby0GC5i5Mvn72gnUAn%2Bvn%2FUkzYw6YBHNzN2nAVmcelzbRarWL6KU%2FbC0cbiIGTrPrY%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6Si1e6yYQ These are currently on offer, they might be what you are interested in. I check these sites plus another each morning for a particular piece I want that is clearly as rare as the proverbial hens teeth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 I've just done an Goooooooooogle search and found this site, I haven't gone any deeper with it - I'm going to get a cup of tea then look in more detail. Fingers crossed you find something. Bonne chance & bonne route https://www.tmbbooks.com/fr/a_autom_Triumph.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 For the moment the best I can find is this. It could well be that it uses original workshop pages as from reading some comments the quality of the images and print isn't brilliant. https://www.amazon.fr/dp/2726899269/ref=nosim?tag=tmbbooks-21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVD3500 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnD said: What a good idea! But Amazon lists nothing of the sort. Where have you seen them DVD? I apologize.. it's called "l'expert automobile" https://www.bibliauto.fr/doc-technique-SPITFIRE-Triumph/3114-revue-technique-spitfire-1300.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 Oh, Doh! Another tick in the dementia diary. Of course, look on French websites. Good practice, anyway. A Bientot, mes amis! John PS just shows what you learn about people and their society through language. I could find only two books in French about Triumphs, both on Amazon and both "Actuellement indisponible", but lots of "Carnet d’entretien voiture" - maintenance logbooks; record how you look after your car! OK, most cars in the UK have booklets for the owner to have their garage stamp as it goes for service, but I never seen on that you bought apart from that. And, the workshop manuals for specific cars are as M.Rosbif a dit, un peut cher! But search for parts catalogues, and there are lots, and I can get one for a Citroen for only 5 Euros! Mais, malheuresement! The auction site (Leboncoin) won't accept registration from the UK! BARSTARD BREXIT!!! And Amazon de France lists three catalogues, again all 'indisponible'. But then! On Ebay France, "Album de la maison Lespinasse et cie Rouen Catalogue de pièces pour voitures "ressorts essieux ferrures..." This is relic of the earliest days, when blacksmiths made parts for cars! This has already taught me 'vis', a screw and 'ressort' a spring! Gotta have it and only 12 Euros. Thanks guys! But Pete, if you still have that old AA booklet, a scan please? John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteStupps Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Je suis désolé John! Je went down le garage then complètement oublié to scan the thing. Not sure if jpeg files will be readable but here are the most relevant pages. Not much comedie, malheureusement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrianb Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I’m off this Sunday down the N26andN5 somewhere east of Paris Roof down 8 track wound up playing “Je-taime” if it hasn’t been banned in France as well! Might go thru the Arc de Triumph as well! Who knows where the sat nag will take us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Adrianb said: Might go thru the Arc de Triumph as well! The gendarmes won't like that, although it is a great roundabout. Just pluck up your courage, don't look in the rear view mirrors, if there is a gap go for it before someone else does. The last time I went round my wife just stared at her feet, I was well pleased with myself as I intimidated a bus and won - dont' think he liked being beaten by a 'provençal'. If by any chance you are going at the beginning of February the big classic car show Retromobile is on. Bonne route Gendarme = Gen d'arme ( armed person basically) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) Mon Dieux, mon vieux pote, Pete! C'est le dejeuner complet! Je suis - er - overwhelmed! Learn all that and I will able to manage Renault F1! Thank you! John Edited January 17, 2023 by JohnD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick B. Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, JohnD said: Mon Dieux, mon vieux pote, Pete! C'est le dejeuner complet! Je suis - er - overwhelmed! Learn all that and I will able to manage Renault F1! Thank you! John my my - thats impressive. You can even find them on amazon at a reasonable price: Conversation Handbook for Tourists: Amazon.co.uk: Irving & Paul Francis Webster Aaronson: Books or Conversation Handbook for Tourists: Amazon.co.uk: The Automobile Association: Books I can recommend installing duolingo on your phone. My french is improving drastically after I started competing with the kids at home using the app. Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 As rosbif will know, France has the pleasure of TWO police forces, Les Gendarmes National and La (!) Police National. The first, along with the Army, Air Force and Navy, is part of the French Armed Forces and is concerned with rural France, but the need for and duties of both are beyond me. Hence Officer Crabtree of " 'Ello, 'ello!" fame, was a Gendarme and wore the kepi, the pillbox cap of the French military. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbif Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnD said: France has the pleasure of TWO police forces, Les Gendarmes National and La (!) Police National. Add to that Police Municipale, employed and controlled by the city/town council. 1 hour ago, JohnD said: The first, along with the Army, Air Force and Navy, is part of the French Armed Forces and is concerned with rural France, but the need for and duties of both are beyond me. Gendarmes as you say are military, Police Nationale are civil (and as such are allowed to belong to a union unlike military personnel). Both come under the responsibility of the Ministry of the Interior. Their roles are the same, and again as you say, the Gendarmerie is found in rural areas such as where I live and the Police Nationale in urban areas. Both armed as standard. The gendarmes are the descendants of the maréchaussées, created during the 100 years war to police the conduct of the army - hence why they are military - their role was extended to civil duties in 1536. France does like to make things complicated whenever it can 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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