AlanChatterton Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hi All,Want to put Electronic Ignition on My MKII PI ready for the RBRR.I have Pirana or Neutronic as it is now known on my S Estate and I love it, but I am having trouble tracking the company down.Does anyone have a phone number for them?Looked on the net, can't find anything.I know Mr Witor sells them, but I was wondering if I could save a few quid by going direct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I think the Aldon Ignitor / Pertronix device is hard to beat.Quite reasonably priced (esp. if bought from the USA)Very easy to fitUnobtrusiveVery EffectiveCan easily return to points in unlikely event of a problem.No commercial interest, just a previously satified customer.Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanChatterton Posted August 18, 2006 Author Share Posted August 18, 2006 Thanks Nick, might have a look at the Aldon Ignitor.I have now found Newtronic, they went into Liquidation earlier this year, and everything has been bought out by another company who have yet to start production.(another good reason NOT to buy this then!)Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Could I get an unbiased opinion on the benefits of electronic ignition. I've never had a problem with points, but have considered electronic ignition for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Go Aldon ignitor (or Pertronix in the states) buy direct it's about 60 quid... http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/PerTronixConversions.htm15 minutes conversion... just make sure you run a 12 v coil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 [quote by=resto_virgin link=Blah.pl?b=2000,m=1155919627,s=3 date=1155939810]Could I get an unbiased opinion on the benefits of electronic ignition. I've never had a problem with points, but have considered electronic ignition for quite a while.[/quote]Most of them are good - just make sure you keep a set of points etc in the car with you!They do go wrong... and you're stranded without a simple set of points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Agreed.. carry a baseplate and some points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Has anybody done a "before and after" comparison to show the MPG improvement after fitting electronic ignition (whether it be Aldon, Neutronic, Lumenition or whoever)? I'm very keen on the "fit and forget" aspect of converting but it's an improvement in fuel economy that really interests me. Hoping to do my 2.5 and Land Rover. Nice tip about buying direct from the States.Also - is there a noticable improvement in power? Is the high energy coil important?Maplin sells a DIY kit for a tenner - not really electronic ignition it's a "transistorised ignition amplifier". http://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=8946 Claims to improve coil performance, starting, economy etc.Has anyone fitted one? I was wondering how it works and would love to know the science of it all. I wonder if it further improves the electronic ignition system? Or would it be a waste of time and just more electric stuff to go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy66 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Ive had the Aldon on on my gt for about 3yrs now(about 15k miles), with no probs!I also fitted the 'flame thrower' coil .Only thing I really noticed was it did smooth out the tickover a tiny bit!And of course,ive not had to fiddle about with gapping/changing the points every now and then!!I also still keep the old points etc under the spare wheel, just in case!!Roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeks Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 It's worth checking the condition of the dissy before going for ei, I reckon. If the shaft or bushes are worn then you're probably not going to notice much of a difference. On my most recent car I wouldn't say I can tell what the difference is, because I had a new dissy at the same time, plus conversion from retard to adv. vacuum, plus new carbs's ... needless to say it's all alot better but I couldn't single out the ei's effect! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanChatterton Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 After consulting with Dave Pearson, I am tempted to leave well alone and stick to Points.As Dave said, they were designed for points and point very rarely fail for no reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenderson Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 As far as I'm concerned, points are for "keep it all original" concours types and for getting you home in an emergency in the (unlikely) event of a decent EI system failing. I've never had a problem with Piranha systems, and the one in my Stag has to put up with a LOT of heat.I have found that EI can mask the effect of slightly worn distributer shaft bearings - instead of having the timing mark moving around under a strobe light, forcing you have to set the timing to an average setting, with EI the marks remain steady. My theory for this is that because the slots in the rotor are radial, the timing does not alter as the shaft moves laterally, unlike with points.In addition, points apply a radial load to the top of the distributer shaft and, being a Lucas design, this end of the shaft is not supported by a bearing. This promotes bearing wear, and a small amount of wear is exagerated at the top of the shaft and translates to erratic ignition timing.Couple these advantages to the elimination of setting the points every few thousand miles, I think it's a no brainer.Personally I wouldn't trust an add-on kit from Maplins - stick to the tried and tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Totally agree with the previous post... points are "pointless" when there are so many good quality cheap EI systems out there. I have used Pirhana on my PI for 30,000miles without touching it. Previously while still on points the only issue I had whilst circumnavigating Australia in the PI were the points closing up after cruising at 80+mph for nigh on 3 days and nights (about 4000miles) . I have Lumenition on my Stag (came with it never touched it)Points may be OK if you have a brand new dizzy ..but who has?I have recently fitted Pertronix to my wifes 2500 after quality issues with points and guess what .. the dwell is perfect and starting is instant.For my money go Pertronix and carry a base plate and points "just in case" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveKent Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 just bought a pertronix set up for my lucas dizzied spit, with such a good exchange rate it came to £45, plus six dollars postage. can't be bad!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 So what exactly are the benefits? Will the engine start better? Will it Idle more smoothly? and will it really improve MPG? All in all, Is it worth doing?XYV please keep us updated. I just looked at the link andy put on and it looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenderson Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The benefits are better starting, smoother running, better mpg, better reliability and less routine maintenance - as long as the rest of the ignition is in good condition of course!Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 or theres the option of getting a 123 dizzy if your dizzy is on it way out, been discussing them on the spit/gt6 forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilesdive Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 As you say "points rarely fail for no reason"Condensors do though - been there, done that!(ok, it wasn't in a Triumph, but it was British Leyland/BMC so was probably Lucas) 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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