daver clasper Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Hi folksMy Vitesse has always made a noise on first of the day start up.However it has now started making a bit of noise on re-starting after a few hours.I decided to drive the front on onto ramps to listen underneath. I was having to rev it quite high and slip the clutch to get it on them and it made a hell of a knocking sound.Could this be the crank bearings, or a severe pink (it doesn't pink when going up hills in high gear).Didn't seem unduly noisy when listening underneath, though no load on them I guess.Oil pressure has always been good and still isAny help great please.Cheers, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 does it only do this when foot is ion clutch under load. thinking of thrust washer problems.., press the pedal does the crank shift forwards a few thou or something more excessive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver clasper Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Thanks PeteIt has so far only done it when releasing the clutch pedal with load.Twice, when moving off on a bit of gradient a bit of knock. Lot more knock when getting up the ramps.Pressing the clutch it looks like crank is moving forward a least 0.5mm, (which is too much I guess) though bit hard to visualize accurately. It looked about this 10,000 ago when I got car.I did fit the larger Landy clutch M/C recently, but wouldn't have thought would exacerbate the situation (have more pedal travel now).Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hammond Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Sounds like the age old thrust washer issue. I would suggest stop using the car until you have resolved this or you risk the block becoming scrap.....Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny-Jimbo Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yup - I ruined my old Herald engine this way - didn't make any funny noises etc, just put my foot on the clutch at a traffic island and the engine stalled. Considering I'd only been driving for a few months I was quite pleased to get it to work and then back home in the evening without using the clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver clasper Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Cheers chapsIs it the the rear main cap (that can't be suitably replaced) and the thrust face on the crank that gets mullered, do you know please.Also, I have to do car work on the street (with smaller parts allowed on kitchen table), so will have to try it with engine in situ, as I understand it can be done.How high would the engine be raised to get the sump off and would this give access to all mains and the thrust washers.Any other tips would be great as well please.Cheers, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 The main cap does get chewed, but also the block and the crankshaft faces too. All retrievable if caught early.How much end-float do you have? if less than ~ 1.5mm the washers are still in (but maybe pretty chewed). If more like 3 - 4mm they've dropped out.......Can be done in situ but really not fun. Engine needs lifting about 2" minimum.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody47uk Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I believe permissible end float on a Vitesse crankshaft is 6 thou to 14 thou (inches). Mine was 18 thou. No apparent damage and fitting new standard size thrust washers have taken it back to within tolerance. Cheers, Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 My old Vitesse engine measured at 16 thou in about 2005 and was still the same when removed last year about 40k miles later.New one, with a NOS crank and standard size PB thrust washers was 6 thou when built. I should check it again now it's done about 6k and see what it has settled (hopefully) at.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver clasper Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 HiBeen looking at car with a view raising engine to drop the sump.Is it a case of packing out between engine mount rubber part and the corresponding large bracket fixed on the block.Any ideas please?.Cheers, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Jack on the crank pully and when sumps off a bar across the chassis rails Not easy to block up the mounts from where they fit the turretspete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Jack on the crank pully and when sumps off a bar across the chassis rails Not easy to block up the mounts from where they fit the turretspete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody47uk Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Try a substantial piece of timber underneath the gearbox/rear engine plate. careful positioning means the sump will be clear. Then jack it up, removing the engine mounting bolts as soon as you have got the weight off them. Cheers, Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hammond Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Just take the engine out, far easier.Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazfg Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I took the sump out one January with engine in situ...not an easy job..but it can be done (preferably not outside and in January).http://vitesse.no/Garage%202008-2009.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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