qed296 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I've seen a few on ebay of late but just wondered are they still available?Seems a better option for me than just the arch repair patch.Or does anybody no of anybody willing to sell a pair?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 If your current wings are only frilly below the swage line my view is that you are better off with repair sections. They are even reasonably easy to make DIY.Paddocks list them for £ 140 as side. No idea what they are like. Failing that Chic Doig seems to be good for panels.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldcoupe Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Herald & Vitesse rear wings are notoriously difficult to fit. It's not down to the quality of the repair panels (even though that can be an issue in itself), it's the distortion which so many bodyshells have suffered. The shell sags and bulges for a number of reasons - overloading of the boot, rotten boot outriggers, poor quality chassis repairs - these all contribute to the problem. The shell can drop at the back end, provided the panels are left undisturbed, this can often remain unnoticeable on a complete and assembled car. The panel line where the upper and lower wings meet will however form a downward curve where it would have originally followed a straight line. Seperate the panels here and you'll find your new panel with a straight edge fails to meet the curved original upper wing.If at all possible, I advocate repairing the arch as the best approach. If not, keep your fingers crossed that your shell is the same shape as when it left the factory,Cheers,Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 Thanks Bill, unfortunately the cowboy has removed the original metal and fabricated a new one and then filled it with filler!!! It's a job in its self removing it, gone to be blasted now to see the full picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldcoupe Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Quoted from qed296 Thanks Bill, unfortunately the cowboy has removed the original metal and fabricated a new one and then filled it with filler!!! It's a job in its self removing it, gone to be blasted now to see the full picture. That's certainly a dilemma.If you have to use new wings, try to obtain original Stanpart panels. Some reproductions get the dimensions of the swage above the arch wrong. The height from the centre of the arch to the swage is 41mm on an original wing, the repros often measure 46mm. 5mm doesn't sound like a huge difference, but it's very visible in practice.Cheers,Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Hells teeth..... that is ugly....... 🙁See your problem and why you think new wings might help!Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 I replaced a rear Vitesse wing with a pattern part from one of the main suppliers several years ago. It was about 1/4 inch to short in length, the pressing over the wheel arch was not as deep and defined as the original. The lower swage line where it should follow on from the door was about 1/4 inch to high. I initially tried filler to just the line and ad a bit of curve to follow the door profile. In the end I had to remove the tub again from the chassis and take it back home to repair, as the car is being put together in a lock up. Lots of work cutting and adding in new metal, complained at the time and they agreed they were poor, but thats all that was available at the time. I would look out for a Stanpart original or a good one that been cut from a tub, both surface occasionally, or repair your own. Personally I wouldn't use a repro again.Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 Cheers for this, good info as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hammond Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Rear wings on Herald/Vitesse's are notoriously difficult to fit for a number of reasons, not least of all, the reasons that Bill has outlined and also, the centre of the panel over the wheel arch is bowed outwards slightly and the reproduction panels fail to take that into consideration and are flat. The panels are often too long which means plenty of fettling around the door shut join into the B post. The spot welding into the B post and along the horizontal seam is hard to achieve without massive distortion and the rolled seam welding there the panel buts up to the rear light mounting panel is very hard to achieve without distortion. Occasionally there are "complete" rear quarter panels available on eBay which comprises of the B post, both upper and lower wings and the light mounting panel already assembled. These are easier to fit as the places which distort due to welding are far more concealed and visually the fit and final finish is more factory fresh than just replacing the lower outer panel with a pattern panel or even a Stanpart replacement.Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 Well it gets worse....I paid for new rear wings on both sides but after being blasted today it's very obvious that I've been well and truly duped...One side has been done flat and filled with filler, nearly 1" thick.....The other side well, it's just filler....Taken in early 2014 :Taken today late 2016:Doesn't take a genius to see that jack squat has been replaced....Can't wait to see what the bonnet looks like.....I think we know what will be found... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny-Jimbo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I have a whole NOS Stanpart rear wing - if Lloyd would like to borrow it for getting panels made then he's welcome to, but unfortunately it's not for sale - It's for my own Vitesse.Are all those marks in the wings from where you've been chipping the filler out, or from before the filler was applied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 From before, you can see them in 2014 pic, I'll post some more from inside the tub taken today....It's almost past saving I think.....I'm pretty down beat now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Thoughts welcome.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Oh dear. That is proper rough. Rust and previous crash damage by the looks, with some very low quality repairs of both to add to the pain.If the floors and understructure are reasonably rot-free then it may still be worth repairing (no small or easy job though) otherwise I'd suggest hunting down another tub. A convertible tub with rotten floors might provide the parts yours needs or vice versa.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 I know some might not agree but I was toying with buying another complete car to sacrifice, seems tubs are few and far between...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheherald Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The only one I've seen recently...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triu.....0:g:wtAAAOSw4GVYRC6j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny-Jimbo Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Everything is repairable, but I agree, that is bad. Tubs do come up, although they're often saloon ones when someone has swapped a saloon to a flop-top. Karl at KD Triumph did have a tub or two kicking around, not sure if he's still got them though. Might be worth a try if you're struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny-Jimbo Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Quoted from marktheherald The only one I've seen recently...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triu.....0:g:wtAAAOSw4GVYRC6j Have you seen that guys username on ebay!!??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triumph-herald-13-60-rear-tub-/122254695248 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 I think that's as bad, and his user name is interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 That doesn't look too bad to me!Has yours been rippled by the grit blasting?Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willows40 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Quoted from Casper http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triumph-herald-13-60-rear-tub-/122254695248 I have a coupe and a convertible tub here, both are worse than this one. Also both will see the road again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxbodger Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 When I bought my Vitesse, my rear tub was pretty much like that eBay one, and the car was on the road with an mot. There were no repair sections for where the boot floor meets the back axle tunnel back then so I had to make them up myself, but they're available now. Apart from that bit on the tonneau panel which might be a bit fiddly, that tub looks to be an easy repair given the repair sections available today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktheherald Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Another rear tub on ebay... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triu.....9:g:xbYAAOSwux5YTaRO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qed296 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 As always a full detailed advert.I looked at one for a workshop jack, thinking it would list the usual spec of it, oh no...just "Jack..New in box" well with that info I bought 5!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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