Josh Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Hi Guys,I bought a vitesse engine for cheap the other day, just wondering what modifications will be needed to do the swap from a 13/60 to a vitesse 2.0Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hammond Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Gearbox, diff, prop, halfshafts, rear brakes, tunnel cover, radiator and all engine ancillaries, engine valences, front springs. Exhaust, manifolds, carburettors engine bay wiring. Diff and halfshafts you may get away with if it's a 1600 you have. Is it worth it?Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Or, just a gearbox and (possibly) propshaft. Maybe radiator? I'm assuming you only want to know how to get the 2lt working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Done it, more than once.assuming it is a complete engine and all known good, including carbs/dizzy etc.....You need gearbox/prop as different to herald. Diff change to at least a 3.89 or better 3.63, partially depending on whether you have an OD box and all the bits.You can use the existing driveshafts and rear brakes. But you will need to sort the flanges to fit to the new diff. Rear spring etc is all ok, same as mk1 vitesse.Exhaust sytem is differentYou will need a vitesse radiator, or at least something better than the herald one, and that will fit. You chassis has teh rad mounts, right up at the front really close to the bonnet.then there is the front brakes. You need to fit bigger vitesse sized front brakes. A few ways of doing this. And lastly vitesse front springs.actually, reading Marks post, we are roughly in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Wow, didnt realise so much was different, I got the engine and carbs for £120 off ebay due to a terrible advert and description. picked it up last night and, although a little grubby its not in bad shape, so, worst comes to the worst i can sell it on after a clean up for a mean profit. As it doesn't look like a weekend project it sounds like it will be difficult as the herald is my daily car, maybe have it as an ongoing project to get all the parts together and wait till my 6 points have come off my license and i can really afford to insure it :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 1986 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I'm nearly at the end if my Vitesse into a Herald build, and do you know what? I wish I'd left it as a standard 13/60. The trouble, delays and expense it's caused is unreal, but I'm there now. Nearly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 1953 wrote:I'm nearly at the end if my Vitesse into a Herald build, and do you know what? I wish I'd left it as a standard 13/60. The trouble, delays and expense it's caused is unreal, but I'm there now. Nearly...How long has it taken you if you dont mind asking stu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 You haven't driven it yet!The difference is a revelation - more power and across a wide rev range.You'll like it, I promise!John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 *zips into his asbestos suit*I'd quite happily drive a Herald with standard but "uprated" (as in discs and pads, but not silly drilled ones etc) brakes with a Vitesse engine fitted. The extra weight is less than carrying a passenger. So unless you constantly carry four people in your car and have the boot full to its limit even Triumph say it'll be ok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 fair point. the 1600 vitesse shared brakes with the herald (but largr rears. My vitesse had proper brakes up front, herald at the rear. You could lock the rears up if you tried)However, insurance co would prefer vitesse brakes.It can be done by swapping the herald discs for vitesse ones, and then aftermarket calipers. Or (IIRC) use the vitesse disc reduced in overall diameter a bit, and ford typw 16 calipers. Or vitesse discs and princess 4 pots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldcoupe Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 As the front suspension will need to come apart to fit suitable springs, I'd take the opportunity to fit the Vitesse uprights with their larger stub axles and bearings, irrespective of whether the Herald brakes were up to the job.Cheers,Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 1986 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 8514 wrote:How long has it taken you if you dont mind asking stu?This will be year 8. But that is because I took her completely apart & built her up again. Plus I've been doing it round a full time job that demands around 60 hours a week, and sometimes on a limited budget. But I'm there now, so close!!!Yes John, I'll love her more once I get a drive!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Good idea to have a terminally rusty Vitesse 2L to hand if you want to turn a Herald into a Vitesse. More a case of "re-shelling" a Vitesse as so may parts are different.Though I'm very fond of my Vitesse, I have to say that a Herald with well-tuned 1300 or 1500 is damn near as quick especially on twisty roads. We had to work pretty hard to stay with a certain 13/60 estate in the Alps and my Vitesse has a bit more poke than standard. I also take the view that even a modified 4 pot Herald benefits from bigger brakes.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldcoupe Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Nick_Jones wrote:Though I'm very fond of my Vitesse, I have to say that a Herald with well-tuned 1300 or 1500 is damn near as quick especially on twisty roads. I would argue the 4-pot is better on twisty roads. Whatever you do to make a Vitesse handle, two cylinders remain sticking out ahead of the front wheels. Cheers,Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hammond Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Point to point with a good driver a well sorted 4 pot car is quicker than an average Vitesse with an average driver. Very heavy that engine, not just the weight but where it is on the car. Some have moved the engine back an inch or two and reckon it improves it..... M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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