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Quoted from Nick Jones-

Being imported from the Orient do you think?  Not necessarily a problem, iphones are made there and MaxSpeeding rods....

Nick

My suspicions exactly tho Spec 25 say they make em. They do look identical to a Quaife  But CNC machines can punch out copies by the bucket load either here or in China.

Laurence

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Spoken with 2Spec today.  Pleasant and helpful guy with previous Triumph form.  He confirms that the units are of Chinese origin, but reckons they are a pretty much direct Quaife copy and very well made.  They have sold many in the last year or so.  Not so much small Triumph ones, but plenty of smaller Ford ones, which are very similar, and nothing busted yet.......

....... so, Lawrence, your challenge....... should you choose to accept it.... 😛

 

Nick

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Well, I dislike the apple "apple-centric" ethos and some aspects of the operating system irritate me intensely, but phone build quality seems good.  I've had several now courtesy of work and none have died without due cause (6 minutes total immersion in raw sewage seemed like due cause to me!), even the one that went on to my younger son, who is a very heavy smart phone user.  None match my Nokia 6310i obviously; I think this may have passed it's 10th birthday, but it is getting a bit cranky now.

Returning to the original subject, buying one of these (and I am greatly tempted) means I (or someone, as my previous record on diff builds is not very good) will have to build a diff and that means new bearings in my book.  Anyone bought a set of bearings lately (pref OE Timken) recently and can point me where.  If I try the local bearing "specialist" they'll be more than the ATB spool itself.

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Quoted from Nick Jones-

Anyone bought a set of bearings lately (pref OE Timken) recently and can point me where.  If I try the local bearing "specialist" they'll be more than the ATB spool itself.


I've been collecting the parts up for an uprated diff for my Herald (w/ 4.11 Dolomite CWP) for a little while, but I've not actually built it.

I used simply-bearings for the pinion head and tail bearings. For the others, I used reputable bearing suppliers selling on eBay. All said and done the total was about £120, all Timken. I don't think I was sold any fakes, although the markings do seem to vary a bit different depending on which factory they were made in...

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Diff arrived today. It is very much a Quaife copy, machined slightly differently at the crown wheel bolt heads. But otherwise identical. Quaife left. Blackline right. Blackline etch printed on side of the unit. Quaife courtesy of a mate for the photos.

Laurence

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2spec are run by Paul and Chris Hughes, both of this parish. Regular RBRR entrants plus marshals when not entered.

Their family has Triumph history, dad worked at Canley. Paul has a very rapid megajolted Sprint (also owns my old sandglow Sprint) and Chris owns a gorgeous mk1 Saloon. 

 

Both decent guys, Chris worked for that company in Coventry that makes LSDs and other gearbox gubbins, for the life of me I cannot remember the name of the business though....

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  • 1 month later...

I collected my new 3.27 LSD from Paul yesterday. Great guy, very helpful and a fully built unit for just under £1k can't be bad! He had the machining done to the LSD in order to fit the 3.27 crown wheel. All very tight in the case but looks fantastic. Now just to get it fitted. With 170bhp and 190ftlb torque at the wheels the diff will definitely be well tested!

Tim 

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So I did eventually buy one of these from 2 Spec.  This means that I need to work out how to get it all assembled - and I'm NOT a diff expert......  High time I learned how to do it though.

The donor diff was going to be a late 3.63:1, ex-spit 1500.  This is now dismantled and as I also happened to have a rather earlier Mk2 Vitesse 3.89 in bits (duff scrapyard purchase some years ago - water damage to CW/P) I was working up a set of bearing numbers to buy and noticed that the carrier bearing numbers are different.

The older carrier has 31.76mm spigots for the bearings and the bearing OD is 62mm

The newer carrier has 35mm spigots for the bearings and the bearing OD is just under 60mm.

I then measured the LSD and found that has the older style 31.76 spigots.  This is all a bit unexpected and has the effect of preventing me from using the 3.63 casing - which is irritating as I've cleaned it and the 3.89 one is horrible...... and also, more significantly, by moving the 3.63 pinion into a different casing as I understand it,  what was a fair chance of the spacer under the pinion head bearing still giving the correct pinion height with a new bearing falls away to zero and I'm not sure how to get this to where it needs to be.

On the flip side the older-style bearing looks rather chunkier, albeit with 15 rollers rather than 23.... I've not looked up the load ratings yet.

It's also possible that there is another bearing inner/outer combination that allows the smaller spigot centre to go in the later casing.....

Looks like I can interchange the solid spacer from the earlier diff onto the 3.63 pinion and do away with the horrible crush tube thing, which is definitely good news.

Anyone know what the options are (if any) and the pros/cons?

Thanks

Nick

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Krap got me concerned now Nick !!!  I will measure my Blackline up later. I know the Quaife mates up straight into a 3.63 But will the Blackline ? Surely a bearing can be got to combo your unit to the 3.63 housing. I recall Quaife USED TO DO two versions maybe these do too. I have not started to mine yet. Will be done within the next 240 years tho. I need to live to 300 to finish off my current projects.

Laurence

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