A TR7 16V Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Just done the oil filter on the herald with my old chain wrench, which has lain unused in the toolbox in the back of the Sprint since God were a lad. What a horrible job! But I see there are several alternative types of tool on eBay. What do you guys use?Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Variant of the chain wrench that uses a fabric strap - less traumatic to the filter and fingers: http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/It....._T7MgCFQfgGwod0M4IywBut the strap frays and breaks eventually.This one uses a metal strap, but access may be awkward: http://www.toolstation.com/sho.....DT7MgCFacewwodg5gA9QOR, have you noticed the castellations on the top of the cartridge? They are designed for this wrench: http://www.moorespeedracing.co.uk/motorcycle-tools/OFW65.html?gclid=CNiJ3crT7MgCFQrhGwodJS0D9gBut again, access may be difficult.John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Quoted from JohnD have you noticed the castellations on the top of the cartridge? They are designed for this wrench: http://www.moorespeedracing.co.uk/motorcycle-tools/OFW65.html?gclid=CNiJ3crT7MgCFQrhGwodJS0D9gBut again, access may be difficult.John I did, and that type of tool. And I see I want one for 14 flats. But I'm not sure what diameter - 67mm?Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve AKA vitessesteve Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Two primitive but effective methods.If there is enough space and you do not mind making a mess you can stab the filter with a sharp object such as an old screwdriver and use that to turn the old filter off. Fit a large jubilee clip around the filter and then hit on the buckle part of the clip to turn the filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Quoted from vitessesteve Two primitive but effective methods.If... you do not mind making a mess you can stab the filter with a sharp object such as an old screwdriver and use that to turn the old filter off. Fit a large jubilee clip around the filter and then hit on the buckle part of the clip to turn the filter. I don't much care about the mess, but errindores gets grumpy. I like the jubbly clip idea, but It'd get used for somert else and never be there when needed. I do like the look of those 1/2 inch drive ones, especially at the price they are from China. Shouldn't matter overly if they're a little bit crap. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herald948 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I've used all sorts of things over the years. Recently I stumbled across one of these and have found it very useful: Locking Grip Oil Filter Wrenchhttp://www.amazon.com/Locking-Fliter-Wrench-Filters-Cylinder/dp/B003771FZM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 These look the same from a UK supplier: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANGL.....d:g:lyMAAOSwl9BWGpth.But I've ordered one of these slightly cheaper tools to try: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1815.....e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. I'll see if it fits and works, and report.Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgetone Triumph Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I just use my hands though on the odd occasion I have had to drive a screw driver through the filter as PO's like Edward Gorilla Hands tightened it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willows40 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 But I've ordered one of these slightly cheaper tools to try: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1815.....e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. I'll see if it fits and works, and report.Graham[/quote]I've used one of that type for years. Never failsCheers Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Quoted from willows40 I've used one of that type for years. Never fails Good. Is it the night for saying it looks like it will do the "trick" a "treat"?Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Go and get your coat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Only ever really needed to use my hands. Anything more than that and it's been put on too tight - normally happens when doing a service on a new to me car or a friends. In those cases I've used a strap wrench. Or in one extreme case a screwdriver and hammer. That filter needed changing as it had actually rusted through. I'm assuming that happened because no other bugger could remove it so left it on there for years.I've also found that if a filter is defeating you, walking away and having a cupper can magically loosen it.Keep in mind that the hexes on filter brands can be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Am I right to say that the filter canister should be only hand tight?John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Am I right to say that the filter canister should be installed only hand tight?When they are ultra-tight to get off, is it like the tyre merchant with the whizzie gun - too tight is right?John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lewis Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 many have tightening clues on the can, spin up to nip and add 1/4 turn is all thats neededmany seem to think its the sum plug from the queen mary.....my old chain wrench was modified with a motr bike chain many years ago and that gives a good wide grip, takes 1/2" extention or ratchet so you can attack from a lot of odd angles Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedTaylor Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 For removing I check first whether a filter will come undone by hand holding it with a cloth them will use a removing tool because it inevitably will not!For replacement I always screw it on by hand after oiling the sealing ring then give it a final tweak by hand with cloth around the canister.MUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 I didn't bother with the cloth tightening it up, just did it by hand. But I did do the best I could filling it with clean oil and then turned her over on the starter with the ignition disabled till the light went out. It's easier to fill the Sprint's filter housing, as it sits at a much smaller angle. But it did look like I got it screwed on before much of it spilled out.I also used some low detergent "classic" mineral oil (Kroon 20/50). I've used ASDA's semi-synthetic in the sprints for years, and it don't seem to be a problem. But the Herald sounded tappety (done 'em, there gapped right), and leaked a bit much. Sounds much better cold and about the same hot. Less leakage when cold is to be seen.Don't imagine we'll do more than a couple of thousand a year, so I'm thinking every MOT should do for oil changes.Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatbloke Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I can normally get mine off by hand...but then I'm a rather large ex prop forward! If that fails, I'm afraid I resort to the screw driver method described earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paudman Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Quoted from JohnD Am I right to say that the filter canister should be installed only hand tight?When they are ultra-tight to get off, is it like the tyre merchant with the whizzie gun - too tight is right?John I think they bond on with heat over time, especially the metal threads that I usually oil as well as the rubber seal; but most of us give it the last little 'quarter-turn' when fitting that really isn't required and causes all the bother on removal. It's just human nature to make sure things aren't going to fall off, and so over-tighten them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxbodger Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Save your money, filter removal tools are a waste of time, there never seems to be the access to actually use them as intended. I either undo them by hand or, if a heavy oaf has fitted them, whack a screwdriver through the o get them moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Man Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I was doing an oil change on a 2007 VW Beetle (MK4 Golf based) and the oil filter wouldn't budge. I broke a strap wrench, I tried the "screwdriver method" and still it refused to budge. I bought a chain wrench and it came off a treat. I do all my own oil changes and I've never had any problems with removing the filters I've fitted. I videoed the last oil and filter change I did on the Astra in August and I've stuck it up on YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Well the tool's turned up and fits very well. It's not clear from the description, but it takes 1/2 and 3/8ths inch drive or a spanner - open or ring - the nut is actually a 1/2 to 3/8ths adaptor with 6 flats. Obviously I haven't actually turned the filter, but I offered it up, and there's room to operate it with a full sized 1/2 inch ratchet, and loads of room with a 3/8ths stumpy.Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMPUS Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I've always been using this type of filter wrench, on time my neighbour used it and it was broken (but he bought me a new one of the same type).Used it on the Ford Ka and the Spitfire, not had any problems with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TR7 16V Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 I suppose it depends on how much leverage is needed and how many turns before the filter will turn by hand. The one I took off only needed two or three applications of the tool, which was probably well less than one turn. But to break the seal, it needed a bit more leverage than the Draper chain wrench gave comfortably. And I've never liked the way the chain is picked up by the handle, once wrapped round the filter - just too fiddly. Some of the other chain wrenches look much better. Are the ones that clamp securely to the filter a pain if you need it to turn the filter many times?Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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