Herald Vitesse rear spring

[Nick Jones]

Richard_B wrote:

Dual circuit brake system. If one circuit fails you still have the other half a braking system.  ??)

If you call back brakes only half a breaking system...... more like a 5th   :o  Still, better than nothing (handbrake  :P)

Nick

[Flemming]

Richard_B wrote:

Dual circuit brake system. If one circuit fails you still have the other half a braking system.  ??)

Sounds interesting. Would you mind providing more details. For instance where did you purchased the tandem brakecylinder in the first place.

regards Flemming

[Richard B]

Nick_Jones wrote:

If you call back brakes only half a breaking system...... more like a 5th   :o  Still, better than nothing (handbrake  :P)

Nick

or you split it; Front Left - Rear Right, Front Right - Rear Left.

Flemming, look for Spitfire or GT6 Tandem systems as fitted for some overseas markets?

[Nick Jones]

Richard_B wrote:

or you split it; Front Left - Rear Right, Front Right - Rear Left.

Flemming, look for Spitfire or GT6 Tandem systems as fitted for some overseas markets?

Not recommended as the suspension geometry means it will REALLY pull to one side.  More modern stuff designed for diagonal split line brakes has different suspension design/settings to reduce the pull (makes steering heavier)

Nick

[JohnD]

OR,
you pipe it, Front Right + Front Left
Rear Right + Rear left
then add a brake pressure regulating valve in the primary rear pipe.
Voila!
Adjustable brake balance, without the bother of two master cylinders!

A late GT6 master is a tandem. Part No. 213690
A recess in the bulkhead is required.

John

[davidcourier]

Just did some work on the coupe.
Airbox was made in alloy and now fits underneath the herald 1200 bonnet.
Radiator is also in including the electric cooling fan.

Next job are the throttle levers and mechanism.

[TimW]

JohnD wrote:

OR,
you pipe it, Front Right + Front Left
Rear Right + Rear left
then add a brake pressure regulating valve in the primary rear pipe.
Voila!
Adjustable brake balance, without the bother of two master cylinders!

A late GT6 master is a tandem. Part No. 213690
A recess in the bulkhead is required.

John

Sorry John but late UK GT6 does not have a tandem master cylinder.  As far as i know only USA gt6 and late spitfire 1500 were fitted with the tandem cylinder

[JohnD]

Look here, "bestquality03" whoever you are.
I really, really dislike peole who offer petifogging criticism of the tiny mistakes of others.

Don't argue with me, argue with Rimmers: http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID008077, who ahev the part, on that part num ber, in stock.
If I have the part no. wrong, mea culpa.
But if I describe a part as 'late GT6' when it's really 'late GT6 in America' or 'in 1500s', WHO BLOODY CARES, as long as the part number is correct?

John

[Paudman]

Note their small print: "Tandem brakes factory fitted to special order only."
Never heard of it as an option myself, so I had to look it up - the Gt6+ and Mk3 for some overseas markets used the same setup as late Spitfires, with the PDWA warning system to alert the driver in the event of brake failure or fluid loss. I'm familiar with the late Spitfire system, having just rebuilt one, but never saw it (so far!) on a UK GT6. Photo of the system attached for Flemming; the pdwa adjuster is on the bulkhead, just hidden behind the oil filler cap.

With regards to John D's post - try ordering parts from certain suppliers without specifying EXACTLY the year, model, colour, engine size, petrol consumption and contents of the glove box and you'll find out who bloody cares when a completely wrong order lands through the post, just when you really really need the correct parts...  ;D

[lordleonusa]

490 wrote:

With regards to John D's post - try ordering parts from certain suppliers without specifying EXACTLY the year, model, colour, engine size, petrol consumption and contents of the glove box and you'll find out who bloody cares when a completely wrong order lands through the post, just when you really really need the correct parts...  ;D

Try getting mechanical parts for a  Herald, you have to say Spitfire or they instantly lose interest, or for a Vitesse, you have to say GT6, or even TR6 to have any hope of getting attention from most Triumph specialists.

For example, if you ask Victoria British, (in the USA), an expensive company that I avoid, for a catalog (sic), they will ask you which car you have, and if you say Herald or Vitesse, they refuse to send you a catalog simply saying "we don't cover that model".

ignorance is bliss.

the secret is to own a lot of parts catalogues for different Triumph models so that you can cross-reference part numbers between models.

L

[herald948]

lordleonusa wrote:

Try getting mechanical parts for a  Herald, you have to say Spitfire or they instantly lose interest, or for a Vitesse, you have to say GT6, or even TR6 to have any hope of getting attention from most Triumph specialists....

I'm not bragging here, but it just happens that I've been the Triumph 10, Herald and Sports 6/Vitesse vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register here in the US for close to 30 years now. It doesn't happen so much nowadays, but I used to get letters and calls frequently from people having relayed similar experiences, whereupon I would gladly offer any cross-reference that existed so that they could return to their preferred vendor with a "proper" Spitfire (GT6, whatever) part description or number. Alternatively, some of the major vendors would either contact me or tell their customers to contact me for that information! ;D

[TimW]

JohnD wrote:

Look here, "bestquality03" whoever you are.
I really, really dislike peole who offer petifogging criticism of the tiny mistakes of others.

Don't argue with me, argue with Rimmers: http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID008077, who ahev the part, on that part num ber, in stock.
If I have the part no. wrong, mea culpa.
But if I describe a part as 'late GT6' when it's really 'late GT6 in America' or 'in 1500s', WHO BLOODY CARES, as long as the part number is correct?

John

try getting your facts right and i wouldn't have to offer "petifogging criticism" of your mistakes!!!  none of us are perfect but theres no need to be an asshole about it :P

[Royboy66]

Ive just had to bloomin 'google' 'pettifogging' ! :B


oh well, every days a school day. ;)


Aaaah, chiiilax, put your feet up, have a beer, walk round the garden, kick the cat,shout at the goldfish,  :)(cool)

[Lord Sorbington]

royboy66 wrote:

Ive just had to bloomin 'google' 'pettifogging' ! :B


oh well, every days a school day. ;)


Aaaah, chiiilax, put your feet up, have a beer, walk round the garden, kick the cat,shout at the goldfish,  :)(cool)

Lol, group hugs required all round!!

[davidcourier]

Already had the second tank in, also in are now two Pierburg fuelpumps.
To solve the problem of the two pumps "filling"the other tanks etc. I've fitted  a
non- return/one way valve out of a LPG system after each pump.
Pictures isn't the best one, but gives an idea of the layout.

Just need to bolt down the battery carrier somewhere in te boot.

[100+]

I'm sure it's fine, but are your flexible braided brakelines (on the front end) long enough?  The wheels reach full lock with out placing strain on the pipes do they?  (Just checking, for safety's sake...)

[davidcourier]

Started on the dash today.
It's a plate of alloy "wrinkle  finish" on plywood. The clocks are out a Jaguar ,I like them because there bigger than the GT6 ones, and the rev counter is electric, there is no tacho output on the 123 ignition.
Airvent is out of a mini. Tried to give it the works look with the labeling in white on red, just as the mini coopers had in the 60's.

[davidcourier]

sorry neighbours... just had to fire it up... it's sounds fantastic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGYsoFfX-s

just need to order an exhaust... wondering how much sound will be "lost"by that one silencer...
Those dellorto's make a wonderfull noise, a propshaft and the rear suspension would be nice to...

[davidcourier]

Did some work on the Coupe last months.
First was the "Canley Conversion" had them shimed out as I had no proper tools to do this.

[davidcourier]

Fitting the complete unit didn't proof to much of a problem. No rotoflexes means I could keep the standard Herald handbrake setup.
After fitting them I found the inner CV joint (next to the diff) to close to the chassis. Bending a piece of the chassis proofed to give enough clearance.
The shocks which are still the Herald ones.
I will mount some mini top front shockabsorber brackets (from the front) to the inner rear arch and use the GT6 ones in the future. This way the will be more upright

[davidcourier]

Next job after all the suspension and brake lines were fitted was to make an exhaust.
I ordered stainless steel parts total was around 250 euro's and trial fitted the whole thing before I had them welded together. This way the exhaust is close to the car and goes nicely around the diff. The sound is now far better than it was with only the straight pipe and rear silencers. It makes a big difference to fit the inline silencer.

[davidcourier]

After all was fitted and after two years of work it was on it's wheels for the first time two weeks ago. As you can see in the picture the front grille was moved forward to give enough space for the radiator and electric cooling fan( front pulley was altered).
I had to get used to the new frontal look, but I now think it looks rather cool.

[davidcourier]

This picture shows the new underbonnet situation. The electrics are just for the test drive.

[davidcourier]

Although there still no electrics in the car, I already finished the dash so it can be wired up. The big dials are Jaguar ones as is the small black gauge panel (XJ s1). Fuses boxes will be moved to the right side of the dash.

[davidcourier]

This pictures shows the exhaust fitted to the car. The rear silencers are slightly more apart form than the standard twin box setup and are closer to the car, and they sound the works! Made the first longer test drive today. The car feels extremely solid and ratlle free and it is fast...... It just keeps on pulling in the rev range and I don't even dare to go to far as it still needs to be adjusted on the rolling road.