chunky63 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Hi All,My rotoflex joints are on their last legs so I've decided to go for the CV conversion. Any help sourcing a Canley kit would be much appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Understand that Canleys have stopped doing them. Still currently available from Rimmer Bros, but probably only until stocks are exhausted......https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-RG1314Jigsaw Racing used to to offer one (different). Don't know if still availableNick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 A friend of mine recently bought a kit from Jigsaw and then got JY Classics to build into his mk2 hubs, think the bill came to about £1k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Canleys website still lists them as Out of stock but available to order?.Out of date maybe?Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody47uk Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 TSSC shop used to be able to supply either Canley or Jigsaw's CV system. Try asking them. Cheers, Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Quoted from Steve P Canleys website still lists them as Out of stock but available to order?.Out of date maybe?Steve Well worth giving Dave a call about them. When I last spoke to Dave about them, the amount he had to order to satisfy tooling costs was quite high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody47uk Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 TSSC shop still listing them at £712.80 per pair. That price is for non-members, TSSC members get 20% discount. Cheers, Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Rimmers are £ 590 incl. VAT. Only slightly more than the members price, though if the pic is anything to go by they are the Jigsaw version and not the CC version. I'd consider the CC ones superior.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky63 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Many thanks everyone for your advice. I'll start the hunt soon but now got a few other niggling issues to resolve first.The cold has got to the charging circuit and the ignition light is now permanently on, oh the joys of classic car ownership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2502 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Well worth the money in my opinion, JY Classics installed the Canely version on my car a few years ago and i'm more than pleased with it!As Nick says Canleys are no longer doing them so from Rimmer Bros may be the last few sets and the best way to get them while they still have some, I'd double check they are the Canley ones but i reckon they are as they seem to have copy and pasted the text from the Canley site across.p.s I do not work for Canley or Rimmer Bros 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I just bought a set from Rimmers,they now have 6 sets left.And as a bonus they are doing a discount so it was £501 all in.Great Price.!Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Very good price......Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandgroper Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Hi, I have just joined the club and have started to prepare a CV conversion for my roto GT6. I have a couple of questions that some of you old hands might be kind enough to answer. I have the basic idea, but no hands on dealing with the parts as yet.I am following the Rover100/Volvo 340 route, along with the MGF bearing conversion. This has already travelled by many I guess. I would like to prepare my bits on the bench and am looking for usable vertical links at, leaving my roto in situ. However, if a spare set of links cannot be found and I machine my only set, could they still be used with the roto set up, should any future owner need the 'originality'. From the pieces of info I have read it would seem that the Rover hub shaft fits the old bearing set up (shims etc) so does the MGF bearing take the old shaft?Finally, some pics show the inner CV fitted with low profile boots, presumably to avoid chassis friction. Are these the Porsche 930 type sold by Demon Tweeks?Apologies for the diatribe!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT64fun Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 No doubt Mr Jones will be along any moment, but to try and aid your understanding I have included a brief description of the components and methods of assembly that I wrote out for a friend who was considering this route.I have the conversion on my GT6 Mk2 and generally consider it to be a good modification, having suffered all the usual Rotaflex ills over the years, including corrosion of the damper mount and bearing issues. Source the best outer CV and inner Lobro components that you can to ensure everything is a tight and slop free as possible. The Lobros are the most difficult element to source and you may need to look out for someone breaking a 340. Nick used to offer exchange vertical links, machined to suit the outer CV and new one piece bearing but not sure whether he has any left. I have attached a PDF of the machining required to the VL in case you wish to get this done yourself.The bits required are:2 No Rover 100 LH driveshafts (to liberate the hub, outer CV joint and driveshaft) the vertical link, disk and inner joint all get discarded.A pair of Rover 100/Maestro/Lotus wheel bearings (One piece bearings hence no shimming)A pair of ‘Fastboots’ (low profile joint boots for inner end) from Raceparts Direct.A set of machined vertical links A pair of 95 dia GKN Lobro joints for the inner end of the shafts (these come from Volvo 340 driveshafts, with each shaft having two joints)A pair of adaptor plates to join Lobro to diff outer flange.A pair of brake drum centring rings (to pack out the Rover hub to suit the Triumph brake drum.PreparationTriumph bits need disassembling to liberate vertical links, brake back plates etc. From the Rover 100 components:-Remove inner CV joint off shaft and discard (watch out for the runny grease)Undo big nut on end of drive shaft and pull shaft out of hub. (Could be loosened whilst still on donor car or else use a suitably drilled plank)Hubs need to be pressed out of the vertical links (not easy- suggest press required) Inner bearing race may stick on the hub, in which case it will need to be ground and split off.AssemblyPress new bearing into vertical link (cold bearing, warm link), fit retaining circlip and press hub into bearing. Having first put correct backplate onto correct side vertical link. (Need someone with a good press)Grease and put new boot onto outer CV joint.Fit drive shaft into hub (tighten big nut a bit)Assemble inner end with Fastboot, Lobro and adaptor.Fit rest of brake components. Fit to car, then tighten hub nut (kin-tight) once wheels are on the ground.If you subsequently need to change either the joints it can be done relatively easily without disturbing the bearings. The major upside for me was being able to dispense with the wheel arch mounted damper and fix it onto the chassis. We designed a special mount to address the slight fore and aft miss alignment that you get it using standard conversion kit. Drawing available if required. It's also nice not having to fight the Rotaflex when refitting.Hope this helpsRegardsIan F 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandgroper Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Hi Ian, many thanks for that info. I have had some guidance from Mr Jones but didn't like pestering him with everything! So much of it must be old hat to those already in the swim. I have managed to locate the Rover and Volvo bits locally, one shaft already in my hands, two more in the hands of the breaker (hopefully). Not started to chase vertical links yet tbh, but they sound like more of a challenge. I want to get some miles on the clock whilst progressing the fabrication process, so it's summer job. I am hoping that Nick will have some adapters made rather than me starting from scratch. I have pm'd him on that hopefully. There's no rush on my part.RegardsGlyn S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'll speak to my machine shop about the adaptors. I need a pair for my GT6 and for some reason I'm getting enquiries again after a couple of years of near silence.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ian,Thank you for that most useful list!I'm already fitted, but need new boots. Please tell and save me a trip to my freezing garage and a grovel under the car to know which of the four offered by Raceparts Direct is correct?S12 100MM CV BOOT (OPEL) (DL5076 MS6K024 S15 C.V. BOOT 108mm MS6N001 S10 C.V. BOOT 94mm MS6J002 S15 DL5075 EXTRA DROOP BOOTThanks, I've got them from Europarts, but they are a bit wide, and foul the chassis rail!John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 These JohnS10 C.V. BOOT 94mm MS6J002 94mm "fastboot" (also sometimes listed as 93mm)But also worth checking Demon Tweeks and Merlin. Raceparts were the cheapest by far for years (perhaps unintentionally) and I've bought many from them, but when I looked last year the price had gone up very sharply Demon Tweaks offered best value.Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandgroper Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Good news Nick, re the adaptors! Looking at the MGF bearing/hub option, it seems that the costs shoot skyward if buying Timken bearings and new hub flanges. Someone mentioned that you have modified the GT6 bearing layout to ease the shimming process? That could be an interesting option.Do other hub flanges fit the bill, with the larger bearing fitted? What is the quality of after market bearings?I really would like to find some uprights so that I had a fall-back position if something went wrong!Possibly I am too cautious but my car is on my drive and if, for whatever reason, the new system failed I would be in a bit of a pickle!!!! My engineering background always advised a 'doomsday scenario' , a solution that could be applied to get you out of the hole that you have excavated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc F Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I have a complete GT6 mk2 backend on my car that will be removed shortly to fit one of Nick's beautifully engineered CV conversions - he did my hubs on an outright basis so my originals are still sitting there holding the wheels upright. So if you have no joy elsewhere, let me know - I had planned to sell the lot comp0lete. I am in Essex, which may influence your decision as they are heavy.All the bestMarc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69vitesse Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Quoted from Nick Jones I'll speak to my machine shop about the adaptors. I need a pair for my GT6 and for some reason I'm getting enquiries again after a couple of years of near silence.Nick Put me down for a pair of adapters please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69vitesse Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Quoted from Sandgroper Good news Nick, re the adaptors! Looking at the MGF bearing/hub option, it seems that the costs shoot skyward if buying Timken bearings and new hub flanges. Someone mentioned that you have modified the GT6 bearing layout to ease the shimming process? That could be an interesting option.Do other hub flanges fit the bill, with the larger bearing fitted? What is the quality of after market bearings?I really would like to find some uprights so that I had a fall-back position if something went wrong!Possibly I am too cautious but my car is on my drive and if, for whatever reason, the new system failed I would be in a bit of a pickle!!!! My engineering background always advised a 'doomsday scenario' , a solution that could be applied to get you out of the hole that you have excavated. Any good aftermarket bearing will be fine.We’re not exactly running up umpteen thousand miles in then and they are easy enough to replace once you switch to the MG style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Quoted from Nick Jones These JohnS10 C.V. BOOT 94mm MS6J002 94mm "fastboot" (also sometimes listed as 93mm)But also worth checking Demon Tweeks and Merlin. Raceparts were the cheapest by far for years (perhaps unintentionally) and I've bought many from them, but when I looked last year the price had gone up very sharply Demon Tweaks offered best value.Nick Thnaks, Nick!Are we talking these "GKN Aerodynamic joint boots"? On the DT website site they don't offer a confirming part no.JOhnThat didn't work well. Ty the URL https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/cv-joints-accessories/gkn-aerodynamic-cv-joint-boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gt6s Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Instead of Demon thieves try ringing JJC race and rally. Which is Demon Thieves under another name but no shop ( from same stock ). From experience can be negotiated with on prices.Laurence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT64fun Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Johnhttps://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/cv-joints-accessories/gkn-aerodynamic-cv-joint-bootThat looks exactly the same as the 'fast boots' I have fitted. The metal collar is a nice interference fit on the lobro.Ian F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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