beefertoo Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 i've tried co2 and find argon much better,although a bit dearer. have just sent the boc bottle back,76 quid rental this year plus 40+vat for the refill. got a bottle from barnet welding for 95 quid delivered. this includes a £50 returnable deposit. at the moment you have to pay del back to them but later on in the year they are planning on having more agents so no postage costs.probably works out at the same price as boc for the first year but after that it gets cheaper due to no rental.craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 what size bottle and what pressure gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefertoo Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 i used this place http://barnet-welding.co.uk/axp2they are agents for adams gas,so if you're in the southeast poss better going direct to them and saving postage costs. the actual size comparison i'm not sure of,i was on size x with boc and the new bottle is a bit shorter but fatter,this one filled to c2100 psi.not a very good comparison i know but i used 1 boc per year so if i use the 1 of these per year then the 1st year is comparable to boc but the 2nd year will be cheaper. if it does'nt work out cheaper then get my dep back,not lost out as with the other costs through boc (vat,handeling) per fill its approx the same.non the less it feels better not paying rental,at current prices its an extra bottle per year +changecraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Anybody else got any recommendations for gas suppliers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piman Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hello all, I still use BOC as the agent is half a mile from where I live. Which means when I run out, it's quarter of an hour or so and I'm back in business. There's a lot to be said for convenience.Alec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Ok then, I'm just about to buy some new tips and shrouds for my mig welderIs there a difference in quality between different tips?Are some better than others?Should I buy a load of tips, or do I only need a few?And what about shrouds?Will I need a good few of these or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcolumbine Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Wise to get a quite a few tips. They're cheap enough and they do wear out because the wire runs through them and will wear them out. There's also the possibility you might accidentally weld the wire to the tip while setting up the wire speed and need to replace it!Shrouds you don't need so many of. I'm still on my first shroud. Apparently they can get clogged up with metal bits that have spat back from the weld. Mine is still as good as new - probably because I'm using a decent 'tip dip'. These coatings stop metal bits sticking and make life easier. They're usually grease like products but the one I use is a paint like product that doesn't drip into the weld like grease products can.http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/shop/spatter-shield.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yeah, I was looking on that website for my stuffWould 5 tips and 1 shroud be enough, or will I need more than that?How quickly do most people go through tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcolumbine Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 That should keep you going for a while! You don't go through tips particularly fast.I can't believe the price of those Cebora/Snap On shrouds! £7.30 - each! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yep.......I've just got a CeboraI'm going to get that shroud paste you mentionedWill I also need to aerosol to spray on the items I'm welding?Ie, paste for the torch, aerosol for the metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcolumbine Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 No, you don't need to use anti splatter spray on the metal. I honestly wouldn't bother with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Cool,Tips, nozzle, and paste it is then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 10 tips arrived in the post today :)Should have 5 shrouds, an earth clamp, and the anti spatter paste tomorrowAll I'm missing then is gas and a regulator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Got the rest of my stuff todayIf anybody needs to buy a new earth clamp for their welder, I'd advise you to double check what size you need firstThis is what I received in the post today......Blimey!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcolumbine Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Blimey! That's a monster! It looks like a top quality clamp though and it should do the job nicely. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Don't send it back!You'll be surprised how a big bite will be useful in finding a secure spot for the earth clamp.JOhn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 willcolumbine wrote:Blimey! That's a monster! That's what she said!! :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenie Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 1903 wrote:Anybody else got any recommendations for gas suppliers?Give Adams Gas a call on 0800 195 4445, their website says they send it by courier but they now have agents up and down the country who are able to supply rent free bottles.I called them this morning and found they have 2 agents in Bristol :) I just have to learn how to use my mig now :-/http://www.adamsgas.co.uk/stat_ind_product.aspx?ctrl=argon&gclid=CO-Bo4G0-6YCFUYifAodtHjnEw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Just checked the websiteDoesn't look a bad priceI don't want to pay that delivery charge thoughI'll call them tomorrow and see if they've got anywhere near me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 there is another thread elsewhere that passed by recently - the Adams bottles have about half the pressure of their competitors so in effect will not last as long.Scrapman has been looking into it in detail :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 These are the sums.If you can eliminate any cost from collection the Adams cylinders get better value.Adams Gas (via Barnet welding, my nearest so far found)9 litres at 135bar = 1215 nominal units. £32.50 a fill. £26.75 per 1000 nominal units.4 gallons of petrol to go and collect = £24 or £12.50 delivery.£50 depositWelding Gases20 litres at 210bar = 4200 nominal units. £78 a fill. £18.58 per 1000 nominla unitsdelivery is £13.20.£72 deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedTaylor Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 1903 wrote:Yep.......I've just got a CeboraI'm going to get that shroud paste you mentionedWill I also need to aerosol to spray on the items I'm welding?Ie, paste for the torch, aerosol for the metal?I use anti spatter now, and when the inside of my shrouds start to clog up will scrape it out. After a while the splatter cannot be scraped off so I give it bit of a file to clean it up until it is obviously ready for the scrap bin. You can buy a special scraper tool but I have been too tight/lazy to do so.Useful info on gas prices and sources and must look into it for the Forest of Dean or other parts of Gloucestershire (and Chichester for my son in law who is using my argoshild bottle ....... which I am paying for(angry). I have always used BOC (acetylene, oxygen and Argoshield) but must admit that I am getting fed up with the rental charges ..... have been with them for over 25 years so could have bought a number of bottles outright with what I have paid in rental. It wasn't too bad when they did the long term rentals and you could save a year or more of charges by paying this way but they stopped it so they could screw you for more money.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 just thought - I need a cable lug for the end of my earth cable in order to attach it to my earch clampI've seen various sizes available16, 25, 35 (or something along those lines)How do I measure my earth wire so that I know which size cable lug to buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 This is the size of my earth wirePictures next to my size 15 torch for comparisonWhat size earth wire do I have, and what size cable lug will I need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I think I've got it nowThe sizes (16,25,35, etc....) refer to the cables cross sectional areaSo,a 16mm2 cable has a diameter of 4.51mm25mm2 = 5.64mm35mm2 = 6.68mmGiven the above, I need a 35mm2 lug as my cable is (as accurately as I can measure it) approximately 7mm in diameter :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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